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New York - One million did not register their "assault weapons"

bisleybisley Senior MemberPosts: 10,787 Senior Member
http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2015/06/24/nearly-one-million-new-yorkers-didnt-register-their-assault-weapons/

So, now what will be done?

At a time when NY apparently cannot even afford 20th Century security technology in their maximum security prisons, is the governor going to double down on his stupidity by spending millions to track down and prosecute a million law-abiding citizens and turn them into felons? Assuming that 1% of that million would appeal, that would be 10,000 chances to overturn the law, or how many more prisoners would go in to an obviously overloaded system, if they aren't overturned.

Knowing how Cuomo thinks, that would probably mean early release for violent felons who have actually used illegal weapons in the commission of crimes, to make room for a million citizens who have not. It's no wonder that the state had to be forced to release the numbers - it shows everyone how ridiculous their ruling was in the first place.

The inmates really are running the asylum.

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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,490 Senior Member
    Not to be snarky but.... they are law-breakers - evidently felonious ones - since they didn't register their weapons. Now, whether the law is constitutional or not is another matter, but as it stands, they are breaking a law that is on the books.

    That being said, I think this effort is misguided, unconstitutional, and a huge waste of resources. And it illustrates both what will happen if registration comes and the choices otherwise law-abiding citizens will have to make, and the futility of government control over an armed citizenry.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 7,996 Senior Member
    To paraphrase Princess Leia: "The more you tighten your grip Cuomo, the more people will think you're a flaming **** and fight your policies"

    As odious as they are (or maybe I'm just too young), NFA '34 and GCA '68 never got "poster boy, rock star" status as far as mobilizing the gun rights groups go. Bill Clinton OTOH tried to criminalize black plastic and numbers larger than ten and the nation woke up and pushed back. Obama offered a second helping of the same and the nation, already being awake, pushed back HARD. The long term way to look at this is that Cuomo wants to help our cause in the way only a liberal Democrat can - by taking his policies so far to the left that the people projectile-vomit them straight to court.

    Nationally, we're winning. If it takes idiots like Cuomo to keep our activism active, I can only say "well. . .ummm. . .thanks ****"
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  • 104RFAST104RFAST Senior Member Posts: 1,281 Senior Member
    Not to be snarky but.... they are law-breakers - evidently felonious ones - since they didn't register their weapons. Now, whether the law is constitutional or not is another matter, but as it stands, they are breaking a law that is on the books.

    That being said, I think this effort is misguided, unconstitutional, and a huge waste of resources. And it illustrates both what will happen if registration comes and the choices otherwise law-abiding citizens will have to make, and the futility of government control over an armed citizenry.

    Are you saying you would register if ordered to do so
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,787 Senior Member
    Not to be snarky but.... they are law-breakers - evidently felonious ones - since they didn't register their weapons. Now, whether the law is constitutional or not is another matter, but as it stands, they are breaking a law that is on the books

    Yeah, but it is very American to refuse obedience to a tyrant. A government that rules by the consent of the people needs to make sure they have that consent, because if they don't, they may have to back down, and take the political consequences. This sends a message to governors in much less liberal locales than New York. I'm all for obeying the laws, as long as the laws have been fully and publicly debated.

    We have been seeing, for decades, that a simple majority is not enough, if the minority barks loud enough. It's high time that people who believe in the Constitution benefit from that same 'quirk' in the democratic process.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Isn't it almost time to "refresh the tree of liberty"- - - - - -again?
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    NY Gov is a real jerk, as is the mayor of NYC, but it appears NY state residents have more guns around than one would think. Good fer them. :guns::guns:
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,105 Senior Member
    The government of NY state have painted themselves into a corner. Going door to door in jack boot thug style for confiscation will most likely start a fire they will be unable to put out before their house burns down.

    Regarding what breamfisher wrote about them being lawbreakers, there is NO moral imperative to obey an unjust law. On the contrary, it is proper to resist an unjust law by any means necessary.
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  • GunnerK19GunnerK19 Senior Member Posts: 1,088 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    The government of NY state have painted themselves into a corner. Going door to door in jack boot thug style for confiscation will most likely start a fire they will be unable to put out before their house burns down.

    There'd be pitchforks and torches aplenty. That's a show I'd pay good money to see :popcorn:
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  • HvyMaxHvyMax Senior Member Posts: 1,786 Senior Member
    Cuomo has said that he would gladly send SWAT teams after anyone suspected of not complying. This is truly the Government turning on the citizenry. I believe with the crap that's happening now we are very close to our Lexington Green!
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  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,539 Senior Member
    A little civil disobedience is a healthy thing for any republic.
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  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,595 Senior Member
    Living in the land of (Gun related) law breakers thanks to senseless, contradictory gun laws (Specially under current administration policies), the most important thing for an individual not obeying the law is to know and be perfectly aware of:

    1) The potential consequences of their actions

    2) Be able to properly deal with the respective penalties.

    As said, law might be dumb and abusive, but is the law. My sympathies to those in N.Y. resisting the abuse from their current government since we're in the same predicament, although unfortunately for us, the real chances of legally overcoming the repressive policies are slim, but still will put up the fight as long as possible.

    Unfortunately, they know that there's no need to put a million, or even a thousand gun owners on jail; just show on TV a couple of them being arrested for not complying and a big chunk of people who have families, jobs, responsibilities, and don't want to live in trouble with the law will give up. Making an example by bullying a few peaceful citizens is a powerful repressive tool politicians have been using for years all over the world.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,490 Senior Member
    104RFAST wrote: »
    Are you saying you would register if ordered to do so
    I will neither confirm nor deny that. I believe that my feelings on gun control should be evident. I'm just pointing out that violating a law, no matter the intent, is still illegal until such law is overturned.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,490 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    Yeah, but it is very American to refuse obedience to a tyrant. A government that rules by the consent of the people needs to make sure they have that consent, because if they don't, they may have to back down, and take the political consequences. This sends a message to governors in much less liberal locales than New York. I'm all for obeying the laws, as long as the laws have been fully and publicly debated.

    We have been seeing, for decades, that a simple majority is not enough, if the minority barks loud enough. It's high time that people who believe in the Constitution benefit from that same 'quirk' in the democratic process.
    I agree with you. It's an unfortunate thing where a law can be passed that overnight makes millions into criminals. All the more reason to keep pressure on our legislators NOT to do such a thing.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • pjames777pjames777 Senior Member Posts: 1,236 Senior Member
    Antonio wrote: »
    ..........
    Unfortunately, they know that there's no need to put a million, or even a thousand gun owners on jail; just show on TV a couple of them being arrested for not complying and a big chunk of people who have families, jobs, responsibilities, and don't want to live in trouble with the law will give up. Making an example by bullying a few peaceful citizens is a powerful repressive tool politicians have been using for years all over the world.

    And there you have it! or relatives fearing for their relatives and turning them in......and its not a tool that's been used for years....more like centuries! The end is closer than we would like to admit....IMHO
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,564 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    If he is that stupid the headlines will be full of cases where NY State sends a SWAT team after doctors, lawyers, police officers, college students... all of them with no criminal backgrounds etc... The political fallout would be massive and he knows it. Even the liberal press has cousins, uncles and dads that have refused to comply and no one will be quiet about it if it happens in any scale. As usual, and just like his father, he is blowing hot air out of his ass. He's just a punk just like his dad, the mafioso wannabe.

    I was still a resident of New York when his socialist, eh-hole daddy was governor. None of the cops I worked with could stand the sum'bich.
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  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,595 Senior Member
    pjames777 wrote: »
    And there you have it! or relatives fearing for their relatives and turning them in......and its not a tool that's been used for years....more like centuries! The end is closer than we would like to admit....IMHO

    Yes, but just "recently" media has become powerful enough to spread the "message" literally as situations develop straight to your hand, therefore creating an instant reaction. Add to that the collective panic contribution to shape opinion and such muscle flexing has become even more powerful than before. No need to see things the next day on paper, or later in the evening news.....they're happening NOW!
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