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Same sex marriage is now legal
Gene L Posts: 12,776 Senior Member
So you guys can quit pretending. You know who you are.
Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
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they can read the 2nd amendment.
And CONTROL. Once control of a thing can be established, then they can do pretty much anything they want regarding controlling whatever 'thing' over which they have usurped control.
― Douglas Adams
Yeah most libs approve of taking power away from one branch and giving it to another if it advances their Agenda...
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
My point exactly. The problem is terminology. Here's my solution, which I've posted here before:
Change the legal term "marriage" to "civil union" in all federal, state, and local jurisdictions. Allow ANY two adults not currently "married" to someone else to enter into a civil union, and this provides all the conventional legal benefits or burdens of a "marriage" on those 2 adults. Period. But it's not a "marriage" per se, just a legal civil union that's only for legal purposes, and therefore has zero moral or religious implications.
Then, as is done now, any religious or spiritual (wiccan, church of what's happenin' now, etc) to proclaim "marriage" for any couple whom they choose to recognize. This marriage is for social, moral, and religious purposes only and does not confer any legal recognition of that couple's connection. Only a civil union can do that.
Such a change in terminology therefore removes all moral and religious implications in same sex unions.
This decision doesn't affect me in any way, nor does the ACA. So I don't care who marries whom, or who joins whatever healthcare the wish, or don't wish. I have to say I'd have liked to see the ACA fail, but because it would have been a defeat for POTUS, not because it influences my life.
So, I don't care about same sex marriage. I've got enough problems in MY life already without worrying about laws that don't affect me. If SCOTUS would have made painting yourself green a right, it wouldn't bother me since I don't intend on painting myself green.
If they took a national vote on SSM, I'm pretty sure it would not pass. Nor would allowing blacks the right to vote, for that matter. But SCOTUS is not bound by public opinion. Sometimes we have to grin and bear it.
Does this mean that the states must honor the CCW licenses of all other states? Seems fair to me.
― Douglas Adams
A. Back off and let those men who want to marry men, marry men.
B. Allow those women who want to marry women, marry women.
C. Allow those folks who want to abort their babies, abort their babies.
D. In three generations, there will be no Democrats.
I love it when a plan comes together!
Agreed. I really don't care a bit about same sex marriage. I actually believe it's legal in accordance with the 12th amendment. And the Constitution supersedes all other laws. But I also don't care, even though I'm happy for my gay friends. They're good folks. The Scotus decision was the right one.
AKA: Former Founding Member
I thought I PA was supposed to be imbibed at room temp?
I'm glad I'm an old Marine
don't think I could put up with this stuff
sometimes it was bad enough just having WM's
the achievement of a desired goal. Celebrate the opportunity for a new expression of commitment to a partner. Celebrate the availability of new benefits. But do not
celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it.
This is not the end of the issue; this is the beginning.
Therein lies the problem. This wasn't about rights. As you stated, most states were already allowing this. It will be about enforcement, despite your wishes to the contrary.
I hope this is how this plays out, but I fear that it won't...recent history tells me otherwise.
"I can’t wait until they freak out over straight guy friends getting married in order for one to get things like health care from one guy’s corporate job. There are sexless marriages, and you can’t prove someone is actually not gay."
You can, but it'll take some effort...and dedication. :tooth:
I'm guessing y'all is talking about the marriage penalty tax. Unintended consequence?
― Douglas Adams
My wife (a huge supporter of gay rights) also noted that both Clinton--a woman, and Obama-- a (half) black guy, have campaigned against gay marriage and now are suddenly cheering it. She suggested that members of previously oppressed groups (women and blacks) should have had no business in actively oppressing others and pointed out their moral inconsistencies.
Overall, I think this will be a good thing. That, and my children's strong dislike of the Michelle Obama school lunches have created a pro-freedom line of thinking in my social circles outside of this forum.
This had nothing to do with marriage as much as it had to do with forcing their ideology on people. If it was about being together, then they would have just shut up and been together. Problem is when you have people like Lilly Tomlin who just shuts up and does her thing, she doesnt get noticed and doesnt force others to her will, and that is what this has ALWAYS been about.