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• DoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member

  July 2015 #2

  I currently carry a Glock 17, in an OWB holster, 1:00 or 2:00 or 3:00, and it conceals easily, then I am not that worried, no LEO has ever hassled me for printing anyway...
  
  The Glock 19 conceals well, consider the sub compact Glock 26, neither model is a pocket gun by any means, both are better suited for conventional holster on a belt carry.
  
  With the sub compact Glock 26, you can use the Glock 26 magazines or the Glock 19 magazines, installing a spacer that makes the grip area of the Glock 26 the same size as a Glock 19, and you can still use all the other magazines, such as Glock 17, or Glock 18, 30 round magazines.
  
  You get the best of all worlds with the Glock 26 as it passes for a sub compact model completing the family, the full size Glock 17,.. and the medium 19, the sub compact Glock 26, as it accepts magazines of all the other double column 9mm models.......yet it's just as accurate as it's larger brothers.
  
  Yes , for overall versatility, and ease of carry, the Glock 26 is the big winner......however, If you prefer a single column slim profile 9mm, then the Glock 43 is something to consider, however, you will lose the versatility of being able to use an entire series of double column 9mm magazines......
  
  Go to your stocking LGS and heft and compare the Glock 26, the Glock 19,. the Glock 17,. So you can get a better idea, best idea is to shoot them all.
  
  A good quality IWB holster, a good quality belt, and you can still wear shorts and a sports shirt as a cover garment...
  
  BTW, and FYI, although some folks really prefer a Gen lll, you don't save any money on a Gen lll over a Gen lV, you get an extra magazine and the improved captured recoil spring with a Gen lV..... a better value overall IMHO..

  "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996

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• Zee Posts: 28,436 Senior Member

  July 2015 #3

  I just got this for appendix carrying a Glock 19/23.
  
  http://www.midwayusa.com/product/781054/511-appendix-inside-the-waistband-holster-right-hand-glock-19-23-26-27-kydex-black?cm_vc=wishList
  
  Very comfortable and seems to work decently. Nobody at the grocery store freaked out last night. I wore shorts and a T-Shirt with this holster. Only portion that ever so slightly printed was the butt of the gun.
  
  It's an option for you.

  "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  

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• samzhere Posts: 10,923 Senior Member

  July 2015 #4

  Wow, Doc, an excellent writeup on Glock 9mils. I'm not a 9mm fan but the info you gave is still superb.

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• Bigslug Posts: 9,874 Senior Member

  July 2015 #5

  I differ with Doc on the Glock 26/27. I consider them to be too thick for the pocket holster carry I'd like to do with a gun of those general dimensions, and if I'm going to have to carry it on my hip with a shirt thrown over it, I want to be looking more at serious fighting guns that still conceal just fine with that method.
  
  The 17/22 can be carried fine that way if you're a larger guy, but the 19/23 with the slightly shorter butt is probably the better all-around compromise. It still holds a bunch of ammo and can still mount a light.
  
  The Gen 4 has a very slightly smaller grip than the Gen 3 when none of the add-on backstraps are installed. Since double stacks are pretty much all too fat for a really proper grip with folks that don't play in the NBA, this is attractive. The improved recoil spring of the Gen 4 is mainly an upgrade for the .40 caliber - which was mainly an wear and tear issue in the older 22. In the 9mm's, not nearly as much a concern.

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• DoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member

  July 2015 #6

  Nobody freaked out because nobody noticed, printing is not the bugbear everybody claims it to be, I have been fielding a Glock 17 in a OWB holster that prints even bulges, yet no LEO has given me a second glance.
  
  I will not lose any sleep over it.

  "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996

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• Gene L Posts: 12,817 Senior Member

  July 2015 #7

  I also agree with bigslug and knite poet. In fact, when I had a Glock 28, it was difficult to carry in a holster because the barrel was so short the handle wanted to lean to the starboard without the longer barrel to hold it in place. I also had a 23 which was easier to carry.
  
  If you wear cargo pants, you can probably carry one of the sub-compact Glocks, uncomfortably in your pocket.

  Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  

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• DoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member

  July 2015 #8

  Who advocated pocket carry or pocket holster carry anyway ?
  I sure did not.
  I am sure I never have.

  "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996

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• DoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member

  July 2015 #9

  I look like a fat overweight retired LEO anyway, why would they bother me?

  "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996

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• DoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member

  July 2015 #10

  This is true.....

  "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996

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• breamfisher Posts: 14,105 Senior Member

  July 2015 #11

  Not carried a Glock 19 but I have carried 1911s and 4" revolvers in the K, L, and N-frame sizes in Florida, so what I say may or may not be applicable.....
  
  First, I prefer to carry IWB. With shorts and an untucked t-shirt, I don't have an issue concealing the handgun IF MY CLOTHES ARE PROPERLY SIZED. That means pants big enough to comfortably fit the handgun inside my waistband, and a shirt 1-2 sizes larger to allow sufficient "hang" to cover the firearm without printing. Patterns are good as they mask any printing.
  
  In a holster I like a sweat guard to both protect the firearm and to act as a bit of a spacer to make grasping the handgun easier. I also prefer molded leather or kydex, and tend to prefer holsters that stay somewhat open after drawing the weapon so I can reholster with only one hand. Likewise I prefer a stiff belt to keep things in place.
  
  You say your height and weight, but what's your build? In my experience folks who are more pear-shaped will tend to have a harder time carrying a handgun than those who are shaped like an apple, tube, or inverted triangle: the clothing on pear shaped folks gets pulled over the gun more and prints as compared to those who the other body shapes. Yeah, I know some don't carry about printing, but in some circles it matters, and I figured concealed means concealed.
  
  No opinion on appendix carry. I will say that I'm not a fan of subcompacts in general unless they're single-stack. To my mind if you're carrying a subcompact double-stack you've got no barrel or grip but all the girth of a compact, full-size, or midsize, but lose the advantages. IWB I've not had an issue with barrel or butt length. In a subcompact single-stack you can pocket carry some models and that makes sense.

  Meh.

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• DoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member

  July 2015 #12

  Very good points, maybe a bit of trial & error is needed so each individual can see how things fit etc....

  "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996

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• BigDanS Posts: 6,992 Senior Member

  July 2015 #13

  For the clothes I wear, i pocket carry a 431 PD and it is so incredibly comfortable I forget it it there. I dislike in or out of waistband carry. A G19 is a very good gun, and when I carry it it is almost always OWB. I carry all my Glocks OWB. I will carry my Makarov IWB.

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• Eli Posts: 3,074 Senior Member

  July 2015 #14

  If you have the option to get a Gen 4, I'd go that route. To me, my Gen 4 just feels a bit better than my Gen 3s. I occasionally carry my 19 or 17, but 95% of the time I'm carrying my 17A. I prefer the longer slide with the shorter grip and since I'm concealing the light anyway, the extra slide length doesn't really matter.
  
  There might be some in here that you find useful...
  http://www.armslist.com/classifieds/search?location=north-carolina&category=guns&tag=9mm-luger&tag=glock
  
  
  BTW, you've got IM.

  https://www.instagram.com/eli.farmer/

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  July 2015 #15

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• Gator Monroe Posts: 655 Senior Member

  July 2015 #16

  I carry and drive with my Gen 3 G19 DEEP IWB @ 5:30 all the time (Even long drives) and it carries as easy as my WW2 USGI 1911A1 did ... and though its wider than the 1911 its far lighter and I'm comfortable with the Glock now and rarely carry the WW2 "War Trophy" ...

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• bisley Posts: 10,815 Senior Member

  July 2015 #17

  It's more of a matter of whether you can stand the weight, and for how long, than whether you can conceal it. I carried a 4" XD45, 12 hours a day, for years, IWB. But, as I got older and fatter, the weight started to give me a chronic backache, so I started practicing with subcompacts, and eventually became confident enough to carry them.

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• DoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member

  July 2015 #18

  There were no reliability issues with the Gen lV, the captured recoil spring up to handling the stress of .40 S&W proved too strong for weaker 9mm loads and was adjusted accordingly.

  "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996

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• shotgunshooter3 Posts: 6,116 Senior Member

  July 2015 #19

  From what I understand the early Gen 4 9mm's used a recoil spring assembly tuned for a .40, which led to feeding issues. Even if you get a used one that has those issues, I believe that Glock will take care of it.
  
  As a side note, the G19 is a great carry gun. I carried one for awhile with zero issues. I want to love Glocks, especially since they are so easy to work on, but I just can't hold on to one to save my life. I would spend another $150 making one what my M&P Pro Series already is.
  
  
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• DoctorWho Posts: 9,496 Senior Member

  July 2015 #20

  Too strong a recoil spring does not cause a failure to feed, it causes a failure to extract, (with lower power ammo) due to slowing of the slides rear-ward motion, sometimes an incomplete motion, if the spring is really too strong and really low power ammo is used.
  Feeding per say, is not a problem (with an unobstructed chamber) with too strong a recoil spring, because you have plenty of forward inertia and momentum.
  
  Glock has already established which serial numbers are affected and will send out a replacement recoil spring to the owners of those guns.

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• Elk creek Posts: 7,933 Senior Member

  July 2015 #21

  I carry a Glock 23 in a right side 3:30-4:00 position with an extra 22 mag on the support side 10:00. I carry in a "pancake" style holster not too far from this:
  
  
  I have a short sleeve button shirt over it for concealment. Carried it that way since 2001 no problems. It it shows if you don't make a deal out of it neither will anyone else. I could care less if it prints. Most people don't pay that much attention to life to notice my pistol or me for that matter.

  Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.

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• 41magnut Posts: 1,306 Senior Member

  July 2015 #22

  http://www.lapolicegear.com/lapg-bccw2012-covert-shirt.html
  
  I have found these shirt to be excellent in warm weather. If you don't mind the shirt tail out Cabana type causal shirt.
  
  No "black ops" type of features such as extraneous pockets, zippers or such.
  
  Looks very much like the Cabana Shirts that I buy from J C Penney's which I also recommend.
  
  http://www.jcpenney.com/st-johns-bay-short-sleeve-crosshatch-woven-shirt/prod.jump?ppId=pp5004410124&searchTerm=st+john%27s+bay+mem%27s+shirts&catId=SearchResults&_dyncharset=UTF-8&colorizedImg=DP0815201417035982M.tif
  
  Glock 19, H&K USPc 40, in a Don Hume 721 is my leather of choice.
  
  http://www.donhume.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67_366_141&products_id=42&zenid=5icum9e01a31olmsg9o37dp9j3
  
  I have bought the J C Penny shirts as low as $10.00 during sales.
  
  I do not consider either of these, "shoot me first", designs or appearances. I have never been called out while wearing either of these

  "The .30-06 is never a mistake." Townsend Whelen :iwo:

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• JKP Posts: 2,772 Senior Member

  July 2015 #23

  Galco Matrix 7x OWB. Easy on and off, good retention, very light weight, can carry all three sizes Glock.

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