Planned Parenthood harvesting and selling fetal tissue?

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Hey, CA may be on to something ya know, a video started the attack in Benghazi .........yeah that's it blame a video...........................
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  • Fat BillyFat Billy Senior Member Posts: 1,813 Senior Member
    Ok Planned Parenthood is paid for by our government. Planned Parenthood sells the baby parts. Who gets that money? They need to be exposed and prosecuted for receiving stolen material. Going to hell is too slow for these scumbags, 3 hots and a cot till it's their turn to burn. :angry: Later,
    Fat Billy

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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,853 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    So far suppressed only in La la Land...CA

    Who in their infinite wisdom has started an investigation not on PP, but the makers of the videos!

    They did potentially commit Fraud. They set up a fake organization and registered them with the IRS lying about the purpose of their organization to the IRS in obtaining their non-profit status. Frankly I doubt anything will happen on that end either, and I'm sure many will say it was a lie in service of a greater cause, but at a minimum they may get their non-profit status revoked.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,222 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    So far suppressed only in La la Land...CA

    Who in their infinite wisdom has started an investigation not on PP, but the makers of the videos!

    Regarding that judge's attempts to suppress the videos, I think that he will find that the 1st Amendment trumps his 'opinion' from the bench. Any attempt to suppress further video material may make the videos go underground as in being posted from somewhere outside the U.S. The internet goes everywhere and once posted just multiplies faster the more attempts there are to suppress the video or whatever.
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,853 Senior Member
    Fat Billy wrote: »
    Ok Planned Parenthood is paid for by our government. Planned Parenthood sells the baby parts. Who gets that money? They need to be exposed and prosecuted for receiving stolen material. Going to hell is too slow for these scumbags, 3 hots and a cot till it's their turn to burn. :angry: Later,

    Planned parenthood is mostly not paid for by the government. When they talk about "defunding planned parenthood" what they're really talking about is defunding Title X. Planned parenthood receives less than 10% of their funds through Title X and it's the only federal funds they get (other than medicare or medicaid funds provided for services provided just like any other health clinic). The funding cut wouldn't just cut funds to planned parenthood, but over 4,000 health centers across the country that provide title X services. Title X provides approximately 5 million women a year with contraceptives, STD screenings, and cancer screenings. Eliminating it will hurt planned parenthood, but not cripple it. It will however be an unmitigated disaster for poor women in this country.

    More info on Title X:

    http://www.hhs.gov/opa/title-x-family-planning/
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,853 Senior Member
    Sorry, just one more point - If you truly oppose abortion, and even most pro choice individuals would prefer to limit the number of abortions that take place, isn't making contraception more difficult to obtain, especially for the populations most likely to get abortions, the worst possible means to limit the number of abortions? The only possible outcome of eliminating Title X is more abortions and more children on public assistance.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I'll admit to being simple minded, but.....why can't they JUST cut PPs funding?

    They can -- - - -all it takes is enough balls to do it. I think congress would have to beg, borrow, steal, or rent some.
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  • KSU FirefighterKSU Firefighter Senior Member Posts: 3,246 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I'll admit to being simple minded, but.....why can't they JUST cut PPs funding?

    :that: Yeah, its not like every bill that comes out of that particular swamp has several thousand pages of lawyer speak. They should be able to figure it out.
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,666 Senior Member
    Why not give the mother the money from the murdered child's body parts. Cut down on public assistance. I find this whole thing disgusting how the hell can anyone think this is OK?
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,270 Senior Member
    We figured out a long time ago how conception occurs....seems that if folks who can't afford kids or who don't have any business having kids would refrain from the activity that creates kids, we wouldn't be having this conversation....I know, I know....I'm being idealistic and that the whole personal responsibility thing is a pipe dream.....
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,853 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    Why not give the mother the money from the murdered child's body parts. Cut down on public assistance. I find this whole thing disgusting how the hell can anyone think this is OK?

    Do us a favor and look up and share with everyone the quantities of money that were discussed in the videos and share with the rest of the group.
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,853 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I'll admit to being simple minded, but.....why can't they JUST cut PPs funding?

    There is a bill in the house to deny Title X funds to any clinic that performs abortions that was in place well before this came up. If it ever gets to the floor it may get passed in the house and then filibustered in the senate and die. The other avenue that's a bit easier is through the appropriations process which is what they're going to try in a symbolic gesture. But to do that they have to defund the whole program.
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,666 Senior Member
    Do us a favor and look up and share with everyone the quantities of money that were discussed in the videos and share with the rest of the group.

    You want too discuss price. This is wrong very very wrong yet society seems to be OK with it, unless you kill a lion then there is outrage. Go figure, as a nation we are morally corrupt.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,853 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    You want too discuss price. This is wrong very very wrong yet society seems to be OK with it, unless you kill a lion then there is outrage. Go figure, as a nation we are morally corrupt.

    Would you care if they were not charging anything? The numbers discussed for the record were $30-100 which was for packaging and shipping. We're talking about delicate stuff here, there is no profit. I get being anti-abortion, I really do. I just don't get this. You would rather the tissue be thrown in the trash than used for medical research? That's essentially what you're saying.
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 7,151 Senior Member
    Anything that keeps stupid, irresponsible people from breeding I am VEHEMENTLY in favor of - preemptively or after the fact. I would much rather that a pregnancy doomed to result in an impoverished and/or immoral upbringing be terminated than result in a feral "human" that will probably become a welfare sponge or the target of a police shooting - most likely after they've already murdered someone who actually had some value to society.

    As to the tissue. . .parts is parts.
    WWJMBD?

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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 20,099 Senior Member
    Sorry, just one more point - If you truly oppose abortion, and even most pro choice individuals would prefer to limit the number of abortions that take place, isn't making contraception more difficult to obtain, especially for the populations most likely to get abortions, the worst possible means to limit the number of abortions? The only possible outcome of eliminating Title X is more abortions and more children on public assistance.
    This. Times 100 billion. We can argue where "the line" is all we like with regards to actual abortion - but limiting contraception is simply a failure of "certain groups" to MYOB.
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,847 Senior Member
    Would you care if they were not charging anything? The numbers discussed for the record were $30-100 which was for packaging and shipping. We're talking about delicate stuff here, there is no profit. I get being anti-abortion, I really do. I just don't get this. You would rather the tissue be thrown in the trash than used for medical research? That's essentially what you're saying.

    Honest question. Would you be OK with selling the organs of executed prisoners? It seems pretty analogous to me. Both are legal where they happen, both are just unviable tissue masses that are thrown away, right?
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    What is that in the Bible about it is better to plant your seed in a Belly Dancer(Woman?) than on the ground? Maybe they take it literally?
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 7,151 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Honest question. Would you be OK with selling the organs of executed prisoners? It seems pretty analogous to me. Both are legal where they happen, both are just unviable tissue masses that are thrown away, right?

    Yes, though perhaps not through sales simply to avoid the potential bad press of "executions for profit". Again, parts is parts, and in the case of the condemned, it's already been determined that their ass belongs to the state, and their ass might as well do something useful. The "abortion" in these cases is just retroactive. The main complication would be determining what method of execution damages the parts least.
    WWJMBD?

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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,853 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Honest question. Would you be OK with selling the organs of executed prisoners? It seems pretty analogous to me. Both are legal where they happen, both are just unviable tissue masses that are thrown away, right?
    No problem at all if a prison collected a reasonable fee for extracting and transporting organs of executed or killed prisoners for transplant or medical research.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,380 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    What is that in the Bible about it is better to plant your seed in a Belly Dancer(Woman?) than on the ground?
    I can agree with that, but I would still use a rubber. And if it is Zorba's twin sister, forget about it!
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    I can agree with that, but I would still use a rubber. And if it is Zorba's twin sister, forget about it!

    The rubber? :uhm:


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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,222 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    We figured out a long time ago how conception occurs....seems that if folks who can't afford kids or who don't have any business having kids would refrain from the activity that creates kids, we wouldn't be having this conversation....I know, I know....I'm being idealistic and that the whole personal responsibility thing is a pipe dream.....

    Birth control has been FREE for a long time for those that can't afford it. That includes pills, IUDs, and implants. Problem has ALWAYS been that those that need this free service the most were born tired and ain't got rested enough yet to go get the free birth control. Hell's bells! Even my little rural redneck county has that free stuff at the County Health Department!
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,380 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    The rubber? :uhm:


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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,853 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    What is that in the Bible about it is better to plant your seed in a Belly Dancer(Woman?) than on the ground? Maybe they take it literally?
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
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  • pjames777pjames777 Senior Member Posts: 1,078 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    And this is the crux of the matter - this is your BELIEF, not an controvertible FACT.

    Actually "belief" has nothing to do with the scientific fact that they ARE human beings. Ontogeny does not recapitulate phylogeny so they are nothing less than human beings. FACT. A human being, albeit, perfect or imperfect, begins at conception not birth! "All men are CREATED equal......" is powerful as our FF acknowledged that the act of birthing was and is not equal. So your inalienable Rights have to attach BEFORE birth as you may be born poor, rich, black, etc.....
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