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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Just gave my flinter a tuneup- - - -new flint, frizzen cleaned with 90% alcohol, 4-F powder in the pan, and it lights off at least as fast and reliably as a percussion gun. The trick is to put a VERY small amount of priming powder in the flash pan, all the way across from the touch hole, and be sure the hole is clear all the way to the chamber with a pick. A good flinter will fire about once out of 5 tries with NO powder in the pan if it's loaded right just from a spark finding its way into the touch hole.
    Jerry
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Just gave my flinter a tuneup- - - -new flint, frizzen cleaned with 90% alcohol, 4-F powder in the pan, and it lights off at least as fast and reliably as a percussion gun. The trick is to put a VERY small amount of priming powder in the flash pan, all the way across from the touch hole, and be sure the hole is clear all the way to the chamber with a pick. A good flinter will fire about once out of 5 tries with NO powder in the pan if it's loaded right just from a spark finding its way into the touch hole.
    Jerry


    ......Hey Teach is the priming powder different than the powder one puts in the barrel?? Question: how in the world can a flintier fire without pan priming Powder? I don't git it?
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    Some are ok with the chubby chick, others go for the models... just sayin


    :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::love:............. don't make no never mind to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! chubby like me, skinny and a model when I wore a younger man clothes!!!!!!!!!!!! It's all good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!hahahahahahahah,,,.... I like all guns so long as they are not Junk!!!!!!
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 6,680 Senior Member
    ......Hey Teach is the priming powder different than the powder one puts in the barrel?? Question: how in the world can a flintier fire without pan priming Powder? I don't git it?
    There are enough sparks off the frizzen and they are "funneled" by the pan towards the vent(touch hole) that will ignite the powder charge, especially if there is a vent liner installed.
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,013 Senior Member
    ......Hey Teach is the priming powder different than the powder one puts in the barrel?? Question: how in the world can a flintier fire without pan priming Powder? I don't git it?

    Priming powder should be a lot finer than barrel powder so it goes off easier. FFFFG.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    I wanted more than anything to graduate to a flinter at some point. But after reading all this, I think I'll just stick to my cheapo Renegate Cap Lock rifle. It makes that addicting smoke cloud as well as an up scale flinter.

    :tooth:


    ...................Hey Snake, my Traditions cap and ball make smoke too, but I feel a couple good flinters both rifle and pistol would be a good addition to any gun case??
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,221 Senior Member
    ......Hey Teach is the priming powder different than the powder one puts in the barrel?? Question: how in the world can a flintier fire without pan priming Powder? I don't git it?

    Yes...most generally 4FG...What Jerry was saying is that if a flinter throws an adequate shower of sparks, it CAN set off the charge...not that it WILL...need to understand that the sparks are actually metal shaved off the frizzen by the flint and can have enough of a half-life to bounce into the touch hole and set off the main charge.....This is why old timers would plug the touch hole when using their flintlocks to ignite char cloth for fire making...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    That's why us old geezers always preach about using a good quality, well-tuned flint lock- - - -the cheap knockoffs just can't be timed and tuned as well. The hardening of the frizzen is extremely important, both for long life and generating an adequate volume of sparks. The frizzen on my traditions flinter was way too soft, so I treated it with Kasenit hardening powder and a torch, basically casehardening it by heating it red hot with the carbon-rich powder applied for a couple of minutes, then quenching it in icewater and polishing the scale off afterwards. The volume of sparks from a good flint strike almost doubled after the frizzen was hardened. Adjusting the protrusion of the flint so it hits the frizzen at the right time and place is also important. I generally adjust it so the flint almost touches the closed frizzen when it's in the half-cock position. That allows me to keep the hammer in the safest position for carry, and the frizzen closed tight over the priming powder. In inclement weather, a heavily greased rawhide "cow's knee" covers the lock to "keep the powder dry"!

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    Jerry
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    ...................Hey Snake, my Traditions cap and ball make smoke too, but I feel a couple good flinters both rifle and pistol would be a good addition to any gun case??

    Hey Robert, i agree, there's a cool factor with a Flintlock that has always had my attention. I always wanted one, but I don't know if I'm ready to go to a lot of hassle to get there right now. My Cap n Ball smoke pole is cooler than anything I've got so it's just real hard for me to get inspired enough right now to do it. If I do it, I'll probably just go for a good custom Ready Made one.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • woodsrunnerwoodsrunner Senior Member Posts: 2,725 Senior Member
    A flintlock firing the powder in the chamber WITHOUT priming 4f in the pan is also a strong indication of a high quality, well built lock with the angles and touch hole being correctly placed. I have a .32cal Southern Mountain Squirrel Rifle, made by one of the absolute master builders, that will fire probably 8 times out of ten with no priming powder. The high speed recent photography that I mentioned earlier....if you could see this and the shower of sparks starting the instant the flint touches the frizzen on a well tuned system you would easily see why it will fire without priming powder.
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    WOW Fellas!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 pages of guidance and advice on building a Flintlock!!!!!!!!.... I loves it???? I don't think you gals and pals here, know how much you have prevented me from falling into a pit, that I might not have been able to climb out of... Again back in the day, when I decided to get into Black Powder cap and ball, I obviously had more $$$$ than knowledge and sense.....I will not and cannot do that again!...I eventually learned and asked question here and now I can handle cap and ball with the best of them...I have read all these post twice, watched the 30 episodes with Mike Beliveau Visited the Jim Chambers site etc.,etc.,etc,visited all the links everyone sent me here and via IM.

    ....I am not ready nor equipped to build this project yet!!!!I will continue to read and post here and start gathering the basics and decide which area of my house
    will be best suited for this endeavor. Again a great big thanks for ya help!!!

    Robert.
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Some are ok with the chubby chick, others go for the models... just sayin

    Oh don't get me wrong, I do love the model, but sometimes you gotta make do with the FAT CHICK because she's what you got at the time.

    :wink:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    WOW Fellas!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 pages of guidance and advice on building a Flintlock!!!!!!!!.... I loves it???? I don't think you gals and pals here, know how much you have prevented me from falling into a pit, that I might not have been able to climb out of... Again back in the day, when I decided to get into Black Powder cap and ball, I obviously had more $$$$ than knowledge and sense.....I will not and cannot do that again!...I eventually learned and asked question here and now I can handle cap and ball with the best of them...I have read all these post twice, watched the 30 episodes with Mike Beliveau Visited the Jim Chambers site etc.,etc.,etc,visited all the links everyone sent me here and via IM.

    ....I am not ready nor equipped to build this project yet!!!!I will continue to read and post here and start gathering the basics and decide which area of my house
    will be best suited for this endeavor. Again a great big thanks for ya help!!!

    Robert.

    This is me also Robert. I'm 67 years old with way too many irons in the fire for an old guy. I should be worried about my porch swing and what I'll have with my coffee in the morning and not what new endeavor I'll get into this week. Hell I've got plenty of firepower and there's lots of deer and hogs to killl, not to mention my more personal life. So I'll put that one on the back burner and get my addictive kicks from my cap and ball Smoke Pole until I get some of this other stuff out of the way.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,497 Senior Member
    WOW Fellas!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2 pages of guidance and advice on building a Flintlock!!!!!!!!.... I loves it???? I don't think you gals and pals here, know how much you have prevented me from falling into a pit, that I might not have been able to climb out of... Again back in the day, when I decided to get into Black Powder cap and ball, I obviously had more $$$$ than knowledge and sense.....I will not and cannot do that again!...I eventually learned and asked question here and now I can handle cap and ball with the best of them...I have read all these post twice, watched the 30 episodes with Mike Beliveau Visited the Jim Chambers site etc.,etc.,etc,visited all the links everyone sent me here and via IM.

    ....I am not ready nor equipped to build this project yet!!!!I will continue to read and post here and start gathering the basics and decide which area of my house
    will be best suited for this endeavor. Again a great big thanks for ya help!!!

    Robert.

    That is the best idea. There should be a lot of thought put in to what you want because saying "longrifle" is like saying "car".
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    That is the best idea. There should be a lot of thought put in to what you want because saying "longrifle" is like saying "car".

    And A great Big thanks to you VARM. and others here.......................I will let you folks know and keep ya'll informed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Oh don't get me wrong, I do love the model, but sometimes you gotta make do with the FAT CHICK because she's what you got at the time.

    :wink:

    .....................Agreed Snake !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I actually spotted a flinters a while back when I was shopping at Sportsman warehouse here in Colorado... I picked it up and handled it looked at it but the only thing I didn't like about it ,,,it had a composite stock!!! I want a flintier with a wood stock not a composite one!!!!!!!!
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,297 Senior Member
    After buying my father an 1860 Army revolver kit, I'd buy next time. It works but I don't think the project ended up being as much fun in the long run. If your idea of fun is tinkering and improving until it all is smooth and workable, get the kit. If you expect to assemble and go, don't.
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