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Dems really pushing for gun ownership questions on medical questionaires.

JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior MemberPosts: 6,557 Senior Member
I see only one purpose for this: to use Obamacare and the IRS to deny, and enforce, health insurance on gun owners. Either pay a massive premium above the normal cost or get dropped and subsequently penalized. It would also work as a defacto gun registry.

They just want to make us slowly more comfortable with more intrusion into our privacy...

We live in some sick times.
“There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers

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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    My answer will be "no".
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,398 Senior Member
    I sold all my guns and upgraded to tactical thermonuclear weapons. I don't give a rip about collateral damage! :tooth:
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,713 Senior Member
    I have instructed my family that we own no firearms if asked. Although any firearm purchased through a FFL dealer has a 4473 form on record. I don't think it would be hard to look up that information, then what they charge you with perjury?
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    I had that same form when I lived in Maryland, in 2002, it asked if I owned guns, used illegal drugs etc... I drew a diagonal line and wrote; "Questions NA to patient care" with a sharpie, the receptionist was not amused, my PCP an avid hunter and shooter laughed about it.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    The people at my doctors office are so under staffed overwhelmed distracted and other discriptives I'll refrain from I don't think any information besides billing will be scrutinised.
    I think same can be said for the insurance providers.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    I have instructed my family that we own no firearms if asked. Althoug h any firearm purchased through a FFL dealer has a 4473 form on record. I don't think it would be hard to look up that information, then what they charge you with perjury?
    Hmmm ... we were sworn in to answer? I'd guess no to criminal perjury. Now if you make false statements on the "contract" you sign for insurance coverage there is likely legal mumbo jumbo that will allow the company to cancel the policy, no pay claims, sue for past paid claims, etc on the business end you likely could be screwed over by their legal staff.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    If with these new medical forms, the government insists on turning me into either a high risk loon, a criminal, or a liar, I'll pick liar.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,611 Senior Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    I see only one purpose for this: to use Obamacare and the IRS to deny, and enforce, health insurance on gun owners. Either pay a massive premium above the normal cost or get dropped and subsequently penalized. It would also work as a defacto gun registry.

    They just want to make us slowly more comfortable with more intrusion into our privacy...

    We live in some sick times.


    As Doc stated, they've ben doing this for a while. Like Buford's family, all here have been instructed to just answer no.

    When asked personally, I have answered by asking how that was relevant to having my ingrown toenails removed...it wasn't, apparently. Strangely, they only asked me that one time. Go figure.
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • rberglofrberglof Senior Member Posts: 2,659 Senior Member
    I leave anything blank that is not pertinent to my care or insurance and have had no problem.
  • HastaHasta Member Posts: 56 Member
    So gun owners get less freedom than other people. This is America where everyone gets freedom.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,096 Senior Member
    Do I own any guns? Hell no, those things are SCARY :nono:
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,557 Senior Member
    rberglof wrote: »
    I leave anything blank that is not pertinent to my care or insurance and have had no problem.

    It's not any sort of bill or law yet, but it's being urged by some party line democrats.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • softwarejanitorsoftwarejanitor Member Posts: 241 Member
    JasonMPD wrote: »
    I see only one purpose for this: to use Obamacare and the IRS to deny, and enforce, health insurance on gun owners. Either pay a massive premium above the normal cost or get dropped and subsequently penalized. It would also work as a defacto gun registry.

    They just want to make us slowly more comfortable with more intrusion into our privacy...

    We live in some sick times.

    Another thing that is being pushed is they want to require everyone to go in for their "check ups". If you don't they will cancel you or charge you a higher premium claiming that people who don't get regular physicals are a higher risk. While that may be true... the real thing they want is to make sure everyone has medical records and samples (like DNA) on file so they can use them at a later point if they want. Also once regular physicals are required, the next thing will be if you don't take all the drugs that are prescribed for you... cancelled or higher premiums. And they'll know if you aren't getting your prescriptions filled because they'll get the records from the pharmacy and when they check your blood they'll know if you have been filling the prescriptions but not taking them. How far down the slippery slope are we? Starting to seem like Orwell and Huxley were optimists.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    1984 and Brave New World......................yep, we are approaching something like a little of them both.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • sherwoodsherwood Senior Member Posts: 1,220 Senior Member
    None of my doc's ask anything. If they did I'm sure I could come up with a good story. That ends with a boating accident.
    I may be old but I ain't dead!
    DPRMD
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    They have been trying to do it on the census for years
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    I have instructed my family that we own no firearms if asked. Although any firearm purchased through a FFL dealer has a 4473 form on record. I don't think it would be hard to look up that information, then what they charge you with perjury?

    That would depend on the date of your last purchase. If it's been like a year or two since you bought something, then you can always say, "Oh we saw the light and sold all our guns a year ago."

    How they gonna prove anything?

    However, do you have a plan to hide your firearms in case the caca hit's the fan? That's the main thing. I'm not getting rid of my guns for no stupid Constitution hating politicians.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    PVC pipe
    Shovel
    100 acres

    Got it covered!

    Jerry
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    I have had to answer questions like that both on medical form and verbally.. I for one am not ashamed nor embarrassed to answer YES!!!!..I know its not a question of embarrassment or being ashamed but never the less I will continue to exercise my 2nd amendment right, and even if we did not have the right, I would still own guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... Sounds like tough talk from a N.C. Hillbilly, but that's my 2cents worth.
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    PVC pipe
    Shovel
    100 acres

    Got it covered!

    Jerry


    :applause::rotflmao:.. You crack me up Teach!!!!!!!
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • robert38-55robert38-55 Senior Member Posts: 3,621 Senior Member
    They have been trying to do it on the census for years


    :agree::agree:...Not only that IIR,,some years back I filed a job application, that had that question onit.
    "It is what it is":usa:
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    PVC pipe
    Shovel
    100 acres

    Got it covered!

    Jerry

    Treasure map with multiple X's ... not that I would but a barn has nice places to stash things. Country folk have a big advantage on cache stashing places. I actually heard a guy talking about hiding stash tubes in his pond if need be.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,155 Senior Member
    I have had to answer questions like that both on medical form and verbally.. I for one am not ashamed nor embarrassed to answer YES!!!!..I know its not a question of embarrassment or being ashamed but never the less I will continue to exercise my 2nd amendment right, and even if we did not have the right, I would still own guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... Sounds like tough talk from a N.C. Hillbilly, but that's my 2cents worth.

    With HIPPA and the ACA, a LOT of those documents are starting to be reported to the Govt. and put in various datdatabases. George Orwell was only off by a few decades
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
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