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Diver43Diver43 Senior MemberPosts: 10,903 Senior Member
Does a gunsmith go through an annual ATF inspection?

How about a gun shop? I thought they were random and unannounced.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    When I had a manufacturer's FFL, BATFE informed me that they "MIGHT" make unannounced inspection vidits to inspect the bound books during regular posted business hours.

    Anyone with an FFL, buying and selling or repairing guns can be inspected by agents of BATFE.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,708 Senior Member
    Is a vidits like a gadget?
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,728 Senior Member
    My LGS goes through regular and unannounced inspections. The inspector is VERY thorough, checking the inventory book against the serial numbers on the guns, even taking off the grips to read the #s. Fair but thorough. If you're sloppy with your paperwork, you're gonna get gigged.
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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,958 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    When I had a manufacturer's FFL, BATFE informed me that they "MIGHT" make unannounced inspection vidits to inspect the bound books during regular posted business hours.

    Anyone with an FFL, buying and selling or repairing guns can be inspected by agents of BATFE.

    :agree::that: I have had them pop in on me several times, I will say they were polite, very thorough, and afterward took the time to answer any questions I might have.

    JAY
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,903 Senior Member
    Thanks Guys
    I have a guy fixing a bent sight on a old 03 a3 and when I called to enquire about a completion date, his wife said he had his annual BATF this week and was behind. A Scheduled week long inspection for a gunsmith sounded off. While the wife and I shared some superb calamari and an adult beverage afer work he called to say it is finished.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Ones books should ( in theory ) be ready for inspection any time BATFE should show up, since these visits are unscheduled and I was told there is no limit, BATFE ( in theory) could show up anytime, unannounced, some gun shops may not want to tell customers they are too busy to accept additional work.
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  • LerchessLerchess Senior Member Posts: 550 Senior Member
    He might have had another company doing a fake ATF inspection so they would have everything ready when the ATF shows up. FFLGuard, NSSF, and others will do this which is a good idea.

    If they really were there, it could set him back a week easily. They can take 3 or 4 days depending on the size of the shop.
  • softwarejanitorsoftwarejanitor Member Posts: 241 Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    When I had a manufacturer's FFL, BATFE informed me that they "MIGHT" make unannounced inspection vidits to inspect the bound books during regular posted business hours.

    Anyone with an FFL, buying and selling or repairing guns can be inspected by agents of BATFE.

    This is true, even Curio & Relic FFLs (type 03), although it is rarely done.
  • softwarejanitorsoftwarejanitor Member Posts: 241 Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    Ones books should ( in theory ) be ready for inspection any time BATFE should show up, since these visits are unscheduled and I was told there is no limit, BATFE ( in theory) could show up anytime, unannounced, some gun shops may not want to tell customers they are too busy to accept additional work.

    This thankfully is not supposed to be done to C&R FFL03 licensees. BATFE is supposed to call and ask to schedule an appointment to do their inspection and C&Rs have the option of doing the inspection at BATFE's office, although dragging a large collection to the nearest BATFE office might be an inconvenience... especially since they are usually in Federal Buildings, which are usually no-firearms-allowed. It is my understanding that they have to come down and escort the licensee in for this kind of inspection. C&Rs are given more leeway because they are not required to maintain a "place of business" because they are not allowed to be "in the business", only to collect.
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,958 Senior Member
    After my first ATF insp. about 1975, I started keeping 2 sets of "bound books" , one for sales and one for repair and smithing, it made future insp. a lot simpler. It always seemed that ATF was more interested on who bought what kind of gun than any repairs, especially who bought AKs, SKS, etc.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • calebibcalebib Senior Member Posts: 1,701 Senior Member
    FFLs in CO very rarely get inspected unless you are very high volume or have an incident. The mining industry is so huge out here that the available ATF agents are overwhelmed with explosives inspections.

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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    I used to have an FFL but gave it up about the time Clinton was running for re-election in 96. But back in the Bush 41 presidency times I was inspected. They inspecting officer was as polite as punch and when he found an error he politely pointed it out and just gave me an admonition to straighten that out. Otherwise the inspection went smooth. I wondered later if it would have gone that smooth if Clinton would have been in office?

    BTW I gave up my FFL not totally because of Clinton, but it did have some bearing. The main reason was I was going overseas to work. But I did think about letting my son in law and daughter run it while I was gone. However, during the first Clinton term I was hearing some horror stories about ATF inspections under that regime.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    jaywapti wrote: »
    After my first ATF insp. about 1975, I started keeping 2 sets of "bound books" , one for sales and one for repair and smithing, it made future insp. a lot simpler. It always seemed that ATF was more interested on who bought what kind of gun than any repairs, especially who bought AKs, SKS, etc.

    JAY

    I did the same thing when I had a license as to 'Sales' bound book and 'Repair' bound book. Made the whole process a lot simpler.

    I was inspected a few times. The particular ATF agents were always a crap shoot as to what you got for the inspection. Back in the early '90s M-16 full auto fire control parts were still readily available, and they were always on the lookout for those parts during an inspection. Same for full auto trigger groups for AKs. At that time, the laws for possession of those parts was pretty convoluted and beyond understanding. You could go to a gun show and buy all you wanted, or through retailers from Shotgun News. Just don't have them in the same building as an AR 15 or an AK!
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  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Senior Member Posts: 1,370 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I don't believe the inspections are scheduled, but yep you can assume the ATF will be visiting to go over your paperwork, specially if someone gives them a "tip". I remember in CT one of the local GSs having a rather suspicious fire that burned it to the ground after a preliminary visit from the ATF. I was fine with it, never liked those guys, something was "off".

    Were they the ones that sold the guns to the Newtown shooter's mom?
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