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BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior MemberPosts: 4,484 Senior Member
If you spend more on mods to a gun then the gun costs, is that to much? I have a 15-22 that costs about $350.00. It has a $200.00 hiperfire trigger and I just ordered a $270.00 C-more red dot for it. That's $470.00 of improvements on a $350.00 gun. Same with my 22/45 lite, new C-more and mount, $260.00 or so, internals and trigger another $170.00 or so. People spend $1000.00 on $200.00 10/22s for Gods sake. Guess you gotta pay if you want to play.

I'll probably never get most of that money back if I sold the guns but it sure is fun shooting them when you make em better.
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  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    Only the individual can decide.

    People that have boats or cars, motorcycles or airplanes or any number of other hobbies spend thousands as opposed to hundreds.
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    I did that. Bought an AR, then over doubled the price of the rifle with all the schtuff I put on it. That's why I'll build the next one.

    Oh yea, my $600 AR is up to about 1000 now
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    I did that. Bought an AR, then over doubled the price of the rifle with all the schtuff I put on it. That's why I'll build the next one.

    It won't matter, unless you will be content with a bone stock model.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    How much is to much?
    No such thing if you can afford it go for it.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • 41magnut41magnut Senior Member Posts: 1,243 Senior Member
    Over the years I've added numerous add-ons to various guns. On guns I hope to use optics, stocks, triggers and so forth on others. Action work or other metal work I'll probably have to eat. It might make a gun easier to sell, but not necessarily worth more.
    A perfect & somewhat related example is my motorcycle. It is worth +/- $3000. I am putting auxiliary lights on same @ $625 (OTD), doesn't mean the m/c is now worth $3600. So I will ride it, or shoot it till I feel I've got my monies worth out it.
    Then on to the next project.


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  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 4,423 Senior Member
    I would not count optics, they can be moved from one platform to another and on the few occasions where I sold an optic equipped item they were generally sold without said optic as most purchasers do not place a commensurate added value to the price they offer.
    Platform specific items are pay to play but if they make you happy and improve your shooting experience, worth the cost.

    Sako
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,609 Senior Member
    There's no too much. Factory guns are just the first piece of the puzzle, that ends up the picture of the gun you really want.
    I spent $219 on a Savage 110. 30-06. $1200 later, it's a beautiful, full custom 338-06.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    I had always bought guns that suited me right out of the box, till fairly recently. I've always had decent mechanical aptitude, but just never did feel confident about tearing into a gun. But, in the last few years I have acquired a couple of guns that I liked, that just weren't quite right, and I've never had easy availability to a competent gunsmith. So, I have gradually eased into a few DIY projects, and have been mostly pleased with the results. I've found enough help on this site to keep me out of serious trouble, and I've turned some 'ho-hum' guns into favorites. Simple trigger work or swapping pieces on an AR-15 are not intimidating any more, so I am less reluctant to buy expensive after-market parts. The AR-15 had been a complete mystery to me for 50 years, and now I find that it is really a very simple, well designed machine, worthy of the following it has among beginners and experts. It is almost as much fun to tinker with as it is to shoot...and the sheer volume of after-market parts of almost any quality or price insure that gun nuts are going to be tweaking them for years to come.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,862 Senior Member
    I have been known to put a $300 scope on a $150 rifle.
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  • timctimc Senior Member Posts: 6,684 Senior Member
    I'm with you! Got a Leupold XV3 4.5-14 on my 15-22.

    Always been a firm believer on spend your money on triggers and optics rather than the rifle. If you can't see it or have good trigger control then you may not make the shot you want.
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  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    Like the others have said, there really is no limit. If you enjoy it, or it helps the platform's performance for its intended use, then go for it.

    Personally, I don't usually spend a bunch on accessories (maybe add new grips, an extended latch, or an aftermarket trigger), but I definitely spend a good bit on optics, very often surpassing the value of the gun in that one purchase. My recent Tikka T3 in .300 Win Mag purchase fell just shy of $800 - the Zeiss Conquest HD5, 3-15x42mm w/ RZ 600 reticle that rides on it ran right at $1,000. It's a similar situation with my Savage Weather Warrior in 7mm-08. The gun its elf wasn't terribly expensive, but the 50mm Leupold VX-3L w/ B&C reticle that accompanies it was significantly more.
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  • Fat BillyFat Billy Senior Member Posts: 1,813 Senior Member
    More money on mods than the guns cost is the American way. If it shoots good, money well spent! :applause: Later,
    Fat Billy

    Recoil is how you know primer ignition is complete.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    I have been known to put a $300 scope on a $150 rifle.

    Most all my rifles have outpriced the scopes I put on them. Though on most bargain rifles it's easy to out price the rifle with the scope. I do have one scope I paid what I consider a premium for at $900 but I still didn't out price the rifle because the rifle was a build that cost me $1200 without the scope or mounts and not counting the cost of the donor at $160 without shipping, tax, or FFL fee. The build could have cost half again as much, depending on the Gun Smith and if I hadn't done the stock work and bedding myself.

    I have two builds and two rebarrels. It's easy to put a small fortune in an off the shelf rifle and even more so with a build. Even with just a rebarrel job, if you have somebody do the work it's easy to put $400-$500 in one, depending on the Gun Smith. That's why I like the one I use. He's reasonable and it's almost like a hobby to him. Even so, custom barrels are getting expensive. The last one I had done cost me $450 for the barrel and removing the old one, screwing in the new one and reaming it to correct Head space.

    What you consider too much is up to you. If you get what you want out of it then I say it's worth it. Or better said, too much money on a rifle is what you think it is. It's up to you and only you can make that call.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
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  • toymachinetoymachine Senior Member Posts: 761 Senior Member
    Guns, cars, houses, if I have it long enough, it'll have more spent on accessories than it cost originally.
    "Is 'milk bottle' literally a racist term?"
    "It is now." - Jack Fraggs
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    edited July 2019 #16
    timc said:
    I'm with you! Got a Leupold XV3 4.5-14 on my 15-22.

    Always been a firm believer on spend your money on triggers and optics rather than the rifle. If you can't see it or have good trigger control then you may not make the shot you want.
    This! My old 6.8-06 cost me $150 NIB, and now I just put a $320 Leupold on it. Of course that was 53 years later. I've got a $350 Remington 700 ADL Synthetic .243 I bought in 2013 with a $100 trigger and a $320 Scope on it. I'm lovin' it!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 889 Senior Member
    You can buy a Rem 700 sps tac for 500-600 dollars.  It comes with a junk stock, junk trigger, no riser rail, no scope, and no rings.  By the time you put a nice functional stock on it, get the riser and rings, put on a timney trigger, and a kick ass scope, you can have $1500-$3000 in upgrades, and a kick ass rifle to boot.  I have a few of these and consider it money well spent.
    Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.

    ECHO...ECHO....echo...

    Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!

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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    edited July 2019 #18

    There's no too much. Factory guns are just the first piece of the puzzle, that ends up the picture of the gun you really want.
    I spent $219 on a Savage 110. 30-06. $1200 later, it's a beautiful, full custom 338-06.

    I have the same thing in 7mm Rem. Mag. I put a $120 Rifle Basix Trigger and a $220  Redfield Revolution scope on a $40 rail with $20 Weaver rings finished the stock in a matte oil finish. I paid $205 for the rifle which I won in a Gun Broker auction, plus, I believe, $30 shipping and a $20 bill for my FFL, I had it at my door for $255.00. So I put roughly $400 on a rifle I paid $255 for not counting the time of my own work. But these things are a labor of love so who's counting?
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,064 Senior Member
    It ain't just 10/22's.

    Check the second and fourth rifles down and note the thumb cuts for stripper clip loading.  That's what Westley Richards can do with a military Mauser. . .for a starting price of about $40,000.



    Too much?  :D
    WWJMBD?

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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,837 Senior Member
    Those are just GORGEOUS!

    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 889 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    It ain't just 10/22's.

    Check the second and fourth rifles down and note the thumb cuts for stripper clip loading.  That's what Westley Richards can do with a military Mauser. . .for a starting price of about $40,000.



    Too much?  :D
    Yes!
    Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.

    ECHO...ECHO....echo...

    Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!

    Karma.........It’s a bitch.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    edited July 2019 #22
    Bigslug said:
    It ain't just 10/22's.

    Check the second and fourth rifles down and note the thumb cuts for stripper clip loading.  That's what Westley Richards can do with a military Mauser. . .for a starting price of about $40,000.



    Too much?  :D
    Yes, they are totally gorgious but YES that is a bit over the top. The work probably didn't set WR back $5,000 so you pay mostly for the prestige and name.

    But so I don't pee on anybodies picnic If you got it so what? Spend away if it makes you happy, It's your money and life's too short.

    I was gonna say I have a Yugo 24/47 that I paid $220  for including shipping and FFL fee that I had sporterized  to include bending the bolt, removing the rear sight and its base, and front sight, adding a Timney Trigger, a new stronger firing pin spring to help decrease lock time and a Beulher Safety which all cost me $243 (I left the Milsurp 8x57 barrel in place) , and $100 for a Boyd's classic stock and another $270 on a Redfield Revolution scope and mounts. That was a hell of a lot cheaper than a Westley Richards but still a lot for a 72 year old Mauser. Was it worth that to me? You damn right it was. It's  not only one of my favorite rifles, it's one of my most accurate.

    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,064 Senior Member
    snake284 said:
    Bigslug said:
    It ain't just 10/22's.

    Check the second and fourth rifles down and note the thumb cuts for stripper clip loading.  That's what Westley Richards can do with a military Mauser. . .for a starting price of about $40,000.



    Too much?  :D
    Yes, they are totally gorgious but YES that is a bit over the top. The work probably didn't set WR back $5,000 so you pay mostly for the prestige and name.
    I'm sure Holland & Holland or Rigby can do every bit as well. . .it's just that Westley Richards' web designer puts up the better porn site.  ;)

    Overall, I tend to agree with you - at least up to the point of the stockwork and engraving.  Those little garden gnomes have SKILLS.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,837 Senior Member
    YAUDSSD

    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,504 Senior Member
    I almost always put money on guns for looks...I'm fine with functionality.  I don't think I've ever got my money back, but I enjoyed having them.  If you start with a basic good gun, you'll get your money's worth in satisfaction.  But there is a limit most people with agree on ....such as Saddam Hussein's gold plated AK.  Poor taste.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,577 Senior Member
    The firearm is an amalgamation of various items of particular value. I don't see my ARs or precision rifles as having an aggregate monetary value because it can all be pieced apart and parts sold, etc. 

    A singular purchase like a customized H&H rifle can have a determinable actual AND intrinsic value due to pedigree and provenance.  
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 7,208 Senior Member
    Personally I build a firearm to suit my needs. I pay cash for parts and if it works out I see no problem. 
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    edited July 2019 #28
    Bigslug said:
    snake284 said:
    Bigslug said:
    It ain't just 10/22's.

    Check the second and fourth rifles down and note the thumb cuts for stripper clip loading.  That's what Westley Richards can do with a military Mauser. . .for a starting price of about $40,000.

    .

    Too much?  :D
    Yes, they are totally gorgious but YES that is a bit over the top. The work probably didn't set WR back $5,000 so you pay mostly for the prestige and name.
    I'm sure Holland & Holland or Rigby can do every bit as well. . .it's just that Westley Richards' web designer puts up the better porn site.  ;)

    Overall, I tend to agree with you - at least up to the point of the stockwork and engraving.  Those little garden gnomes have SKILLS.
    Sorry for what I was saying now

    What I was trying to write before my computer swapped ends was:

    Yes, it is a bit over the top for me, but that's mainly because I can't afford one. If you can and it makes you happy then go for the gold dude! I'm happy for you. LIfe's short, enjoy.

    However, I have a Yugo 24/47 that I paid probably $220 for with shipping and FFL fee. Then I spent $243 to have it sporterized to include bending the bolt, removing the sights and rear sight platform, adding a Timney trigger and Beauhler safety, a new stronger firing pin spring to lessen lock time for accuracy, and drilling and tapping for scope. Then I put it in a Boyd's pepper laminate stock that cost me about $100 to my door, and put a Leupold made Redfield Revolution 4-12x40 on it with Leupold Base and Rings on it. That set me back another $270 bucks or there abouts. I love this rifle and though it's not a WR or other British custom rifle I love it and it.makes me happy. But my point is it was a $150 dollar platform that I put another $500 in. So it's not only about the money. It's about what you want and what you can afford. If that happens to be a .275 Rigby in a $60,000 platform and you can afford it, then let it happen Captain.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    edited July 2019 #29
    snake284 said:
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    I have been known to put a $300 scope on a $150 rifle.

    Most all my rifles have outpriced the scopes I put on them. Though on most bargain rifles it's easy to out price the rifle with the scope. I do have one scope I paid what I consider a premium for at $900 but I still didn't out price the rifle because the rifle was a build that cost me $1200 without the scope or mounts and not counting the cost of the donor at $160 without shipping, tax, or FFL fee. The build could have cost half again as much, depending on the Gun Smith and if I hadn't done the stock work and bedding myself.

    I have two builds and two rebarrels. It's easy to put a small fortune in an off the shelf rifle and even more so with a build. Even with just a rebarrel job, if you have somebody do the work it's easy to put $400-$500 in one, depending on the Gun Smith. That's why I like the one I use. He's reasonable and it's almost like a hobby to him. Even so, custom barrels are getting expensive. The last one I had done cost me $450 for the barrel and removing the old one, screwing in the new one and reaming it to correct Head space.

    What you consider too much is up to you. If you get what you want out of it then I say it's worth it. Or better said, too much money on a rifle is what you think it is. It's up to you and only you can make that call.
    This post was made before I went scope nutts and bought a bunch of nice VX-3is and officially became a scope snob. Sufficeth to say, I have now spent more for the scope than the rifle.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,504 Senior Member
    I've got  three 98K Mausers....a commercial action from 1910 and, an interwar rifle which I think is the most handsome, and a post-war rifle that's carved in German oak-leaf  style, and engraved.  Two have claw mounts on them, and the carved one has the front and rear mounts and a scope.  checkering is fine, but the wood is not inspiring.

    The oldest one has the claw mounts on the front, but the rear one was removed and a Lyman Model 37 (I think) installed. It's the sight logo with a deer in a circle.

    These are three guns I will never do any improvements on, because they're perfect as is.  All of them were built by great gunsmiths, the oldest one in 8x57J, and the others in 30-06. I waxed the stocks with Feed and Wax and protect them.  Finish on the metal is good, assuming their ages.

    This one probably is my favorite because everything is right.  Kinda plain.Got a Zeiss 4x scope.  It shows better than it pictures.  If I didn't have such a gun, then yes, I'd probably go too far to get the same level of satisfaction.  I''m a terrible photographer.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 5,011 Senior Member
    So, how much is to much ? when I build a rifle for myself I know that if I tried to sell it I could never get what I put into it. The only answer I can come up with is when its done and has and does everything you want from it and it satisfies you, than the cost is just right and not to much.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
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