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coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior MemberPosts: 6,610 Senior Member
With Trump's fairly convincing victory yesterday, bandwagoneers will be looking to make the leap and side with the lead horse.

I still don't see him being elected, but he appears increasingly able to win the nomination.
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,070 Senior Member
    I believe and hope you are mistaken.

    I don't see Bush, Kasich or Carson supporters moving to his camp as their preferred candidate drops out, and there are enough of them to push either/or both Cruz and Rubio past him.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I can see him being elected. Why not, because the pundits say he can't beat Pantsuit or Sanders........they are all doing some serious backtracking on Trump now and have been predicting his demise since day one.

    I'll take him any day over any Democrat.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,396 Senior Member
    He might win the nomination. The INSTANT he does all of the clips of him talking like a leftist and dictator (his actual words) will be played in a loop until the election. He doesnt have the chops to face the questions he will get in the election debate. When he gets a question on his past he will do the same thing he does now. Whine, call names and threaten to sue. He will disgust more people and the dems get to vote for him and they will start paying attention, and with Hill, Bern, or Trump, they get to pick the progressive that most represents them.

    He will not win a general election. If he wins the primary, start practicing "President Hillary". If I am wrong and he does win the general (not likely), then the result will be about the same, maybe worse than a Hillary presidency.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    He might win the nomination. The INSTANT he does all of the clips of him talking like a leftist and dictator (his actual words) will be played in a loop until the election. He doesnt have the chops to face the questions he will get in the election debate. When he gets a question on his past he will do the same thing he does now. Whine, call names and threaten to sue. He will disgust more people and the dems get to vote for him and they will start paying attention, and with Hill, Bern, or Trump, they get to pick the progressive that most represents them.

    He will not win a general election. If he wins the primary, start practicing "President Hillary". If I am wrong and he does win the general (not likely), then the result will be about the same, maybe worse than a Hillary presidency.

    This is a very strange election year, and we haven't done Super Tuesday, yet. At some point, conservatives will figure out that they have to pick a likely winner, between Cruz and Rubio. If one or the other breaks out before the primary season heads north, Trump can be knocked out. Of course, they may take each other out, and leave Trump a clear field to the nomination, but Cruz is very smart and Rubio is going to be seen as moving towards the establishment, so...who knows? Either will beat Hilary in a landslide, in my opinion, despite the propaganda about Cruz being a nasty guy. Folks who look at him under the microscope are not seeing that.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,396 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    This is a very strange election year,

    Nope, its a Perot style election year.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    This is a very strange election year, and we haven't done Super Tuesday, yet. At some point, conservatives will figure out that they have to pick a likely winner, between Cruz and Rubio. If one or the other breaks out before the primary season heads north, Trump can be knocked out. Of course, they may take each other out, and leave Trump a clear field to the nomination, but Cruz is very smart and Rubio is going to be seen as moving towards the establishment, so...who knows? Either will beat Hilary in a landslide, in my opinion, despite the propaganda about Cruz being a nasty guy. Folks who look at him under the microscope are not seeing that.
    Exacery! Quien Sabes? It may end up a three ring Monkey Circus. But I hope and think you're right. I think anyone of the THREE can beat Pant Suit OR Bernie. Bernie will never win over the middle ground. Something about the talk of 90% income tax and other UBER Socialist Crap will have them running to Donald, if he be the Repub Nominee. And it isn't etched in stone yet that Hiltlery won't get indicted over this huge email scandal. Every day it seems they dig up another bigger piece of the body. There's got to be a point at which not even Obummer's Injustice Department can't look the other way. She may yet walk the plank.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    A little more about Hillary's woes. One reason I say she may fry for her sins yet, is because yes, right now the Lame Stream Media who love her are protecting her. But that bunch of losers is still made up of a few talented ambitious people. And when one or two of them see what they can gain putting the spot light on her they will pursue her ass like a Buzzard on a GUT PILE! This already makes WaterGate and her hubby's sexual affairs look like a back page paragraph. Right now she's tied to a stake and they're piling the wood up around her feet.There's still time for a party! I'm just waiting for the right reporter to Jump and light the fire!

    Can anybody say Wolf Blitzer?
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Nope, its a Perot style election year.

    Probably, but there is always a chance that Trump's narcissism might prevent him from risking the loss of the same election, twice.

    I know it makes sense that he would throw the election to the Dems, so he could be seen as a king-maker, and get all the perks in the world from the most corrupt administration, ever. But, we can't let ourselves be bluffed out of playing the best hand we've got.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    It may end up a three ring Monkey Circus. But I hope and think you're right.

    That is literally what it will be, if Trump jumps to third party. The Dems will be attacking the Reps with the full force of George Soros et all's money and intel, and the Reps will be attacking Trump with all that hey have so far held back, and of course, Trump will be attacking the Republican with the same viciousness and hypocrisy he has already attacked Cruz with.

    I only hope that knowing what Trump is doing would erode his support, as well as the Dem nominee - definitely a long shot.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    That is literally what it will be, if Trump jumps to third party. The Dems will be attacking the Reps with the full force of George Soros et all's money and intel, and the Reps will be attacking Trump with all that hey have so far held back, and of course, Trump will be attacking the Republican with the same viciousness and hypocrisy he has already attacked Cruz with.

    I only hope that knowing what Trump is doing would erode his support, as well as the Dem nominee - definitely a long shot.

    I hope like hell it doesn't come to all that. As I've said and still stand by, Trump is not my favorite, but then again he's not the worst in my opinion. As Chief says, he's still better than either Demwitt. As for me, my choices run like this, #1) Cruz, #2) Rubio, and #3) Trump(Carson is still my favorite but he ain't got the chance of a snowball in hell). But for me, on General Election day, at risk of repetition, it will be ..... are you ready for it? Drum Roll /////////////Whoever gets the Republican Nomination Gets my VOTE PERIOD!!!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    Cruz's unfavorability ranks right there with Hillary Clinton's at around 51% vs. Trump's 58%. People trust Hilliary Clinton at a higher level than they do Trump. I am not sure where you came up with that Alpha.
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  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    It's kinda like asking a Dem, who is the best to run against their horse. You get an answer like Trump.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Cruz's unfavorability ranks right there with Hillary Clinton's at around 51% vs. Trump's 58%. People trust Hilliary Clinton at a higher level than they do Trump. I am not sure where you came up with that Alpha.

    Exactly. However, we will have to wait and see after more drop out, because it seems that the less Repub competition ol' Donny has the nicer he seems to get. After a couple more primaries say like Super Tuesday, Trump may start to win more people over if he drops his attacks and stupid rants on his competition and starts to actually answer some technical questions, like "How the hell you propose to build this F ing wall and how do you propose to defeat ISIS" You know, just a few basic answers to a few basic Questions. People want to hear answers, it makes them feel warm and fuzzy and they like that.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Adding to my above post, I wonder why Donald doesn't get some real help here. He has the money to tap into some good advice. I would pay people like Robert Gates and other smart Republican types to get advice on just how to go about all this instead of winging it on TV and dodging the real questions. On here we sometimes believe that the American Electorate is stupid. Granted a large section of it is lacking in IQ but there's enough smart ones, especially on the Repub side to figure out when you're BSing us. And they will throw the BS flag.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Kasich fer VP? Trump needs Ohio for their electoral votes in the general election. Just a thought.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Granted a large section of it is lacking in IQ but there's enough smart ones, especially on the Repub side to figure out when you're BSing us. And they will throw the BS flag.

    Really? And Trump is running away with the Republican primary. Go Figure.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,249 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    On here we sometimes believe that the American Electorate is stupid. Granted a large section of it is lacking in IQ but there's enough smart ones, especially on the Repub side to figure out when you're BSing us. And they will throw the BS flag.

    The American Electorate voted for Obama TWICE. You only have to sucker 51%, and 50% are by definition below average intelligence. Confidence in the wisdom of my countrymen? That ship has sailed.

    I do admit to finding all this very interesting. By the time it's gotten down to knowing who the final choices will be, I've never voted FOR anyone in a Presidential election; having always pulled the lever for the lesser evil.

    I think perhaps this time the entire election may come down to opposition votes. Will the middle be more scared of Hillary or Sanders leftist policies, or more turned off by Trump's bombast and lack of political acumen?

    The "popcorn" emoticon doesn't really cut it here, as it implies "anticipation". Can we have one of a guy wearing a Kevlar helmet hunkered behind sandbags biting his fingernails? That'd be a better option for this particular "stay tuned".
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • casinoroyalecasinoroyale Member Posts: 68 Member
    Trump is the clear favourite for the GOP nomination at this point. I severely doubt that Cruz or Rubio will drop out anytime soon, which deprives the GOP of a clear anti-Trump candidate.

    I never thought I'd be saying this a year ago - or even half a year ago - but I can see Trump being elected. Around a third or so of the Republican primary voters clearly really like him. They sop up his bombast and believe that he can somehow restore American greatness through vague and unrealistic promises. A good chunk of GOP voters will just fall in line and vote for him against any Democrat in November, since most people vote on party lines anyways, despite the fact that Clinton (the likely Dem nominee) is actually more along the lines of a traditional Republican in some ways (mainly trade-related - Clinton is far less protectionist than Trump). If it is Trump vs Clinton and the email issue turns out to be quite serious... then Trump really could pull this off.

    Now, that being said, the Democrats loath him and so do a good chunk of Republicans (and even more if he wins the nomination), so I fully expect Congress to restrain his more outlandish ideas. I wouldn't be surprised if he is a one-term president if he is elected. Then again, I suspect that whoever is elected will be a one-termer, given the weakness of all of these candidates. I know that people here aren't exactly Obama fans, but from a standpoint of simply being able to appeal to a large amount of voters, he outclasses any of 2016 candidates.
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