Home Main Category Personal Defense

Best home defense weapon

1235»

Replies

  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    104RFAST wrote: »
    My 12yr old Lab wouldn't become aroused unless
    the BG tried to steel [steal] the couch she's sleeping on.

    Funny! And true. And I know you love that ol' Lab regardless. I'm always trying to instruct my 15-yr old giant orange cat to be a better security guard. He does manage to sleep a lot and if a BG got in, my cat would probably shed the intruder to death.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Now if My dog did not kick or whine or snore so loud..........
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • lightkeeperlightkeeper Member Posts: 168 Member
    104RFAST; My old lab wouldn't get upset unless the intruder had a squirell under each arm - then God help him.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    What about Buffy with a chicken under each arm ???? :uhm:
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    What about Buffy with a chicken under each arm ???? :uhm:

    Don't make too much fun of the fowl alarms. When we can keep 'em guineas are a great alarm system outside (and a heck of a pest controller too). If Buffy were to "train 'em" right they migh even attack on command.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • JimJim New Member Posts: 3 New Member
    Well, this system pretty much sucks. I just wrote War and Peace and the thing redirects me. Short answer:

    1) Get Granny a dog - crooks attack at night when people sleep. A gun is useless if someone is standing over you while you are sleeping. Electronic alarms are expensive and you'll never remember to set them / close the window when the . Dogs know when someone is there, give plenty of warning, and are a natural deterrent. Dogs will also let you know if there is someone hiding in the closet with your gun when you get home - if they aren't meeting you at the door for a kiss and a back scratch - there is a problem.

    2) What gun to reach for when awakened at zero dark thirty?
    Shotgun with Knox stock - great if she can rack the slide, remember the safety, and aim the thing. We'll assume no short-rack, the mag spring is ok after sitting in the closet loaded for 20 years, and no jams.

    9mm / .40 / .45 - great if she can rack slide, no jam, mag springs not soft from 20 years sitting loaded in nightstand and no limp wristing. We'll assume no external safety.

    DA .38 / .357- ruger or smithy - springs at rest while loaded so fine after 20 years. Pull trigger and it goes bang - use external hammer for SA if trigger is too heavy for DA.

    Given choices the DA revolver would be my choice for a granny who isn't into guns. Also nice because a lock box can secure it when grandkids visit. Of course the first rule is, let her pick what she likes and is comfortable with. If she loves her 10/22 and is a great shot with it - why not?
  • JimJim New Member Posts: 3 New Member
    Job one for a dog is to be a good first alert. Job two is deterrence. The last thing you want a dog to have to do is actually engage an armed intruder. No dog is a match for a guy with a baseball bat - and you wouldn't want your beloved canine to ever have to try such a thing. So if your Jack Russell can hear someone coming a mile away and give you time to chamber a round, he is of greater value than a deaf rottie who won't know someone is there until he feels the vibration of your body hitting the floor.
  • JimJim New Member Posts: 3 New Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with a 20 gauge....
    Get a revolver with a 4" barrel chambered for .357, if they are older and recoil sensitive .38 Specials will do just fine.
    Keep it simple,with a revolver you just grab and pull the trigger , no worries about what condition you left an automatic in, etc.

    For a gun - stick with a DA revolver - can always cock hammer and fire in SA, can sit loaded 20 years with springs at rest, no jams, no racking the slide,no safeties, no limp wristing, just pull the trigger and it goes bang. Stick with .38 ammo - recoil and blast much less than .357, ammo is cheap, easily available, and more than sufficient with good hollow points and she can have a 4 inch revolver for the nightstand and a 642 or LCR snubbie for the purse with the same ammo - simple is good.

    Before you worry about a gun - get a dog - first alert (wake up someone is trying to break in / run away someone is waiting for you in your room with your gun), deterrent (pick another house to rob), and first line of defense (I can't stop an armed intruder but I will give my life to buy time for my person to chamber a round and pray that my person will save me), you don't have to remember to set a dog or secure the window as with a burglar alarm and while your dog won't automatically notify the police he also won't show up 45 minutes later to fill out a report.
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Couple of thoughts...

    Your dog should be an alert system, not an actual attack system. Yes, sure, a medium-to-large dog can be a pretty good opponent, but IF the bad guy hears the dog and still invades, he's ready with a ballbat or club or pistol, against which your dog has little chance. Of course, if you're prepared to take the time and money to have a professionally trained defense dog, that ups the dog's chances but against an armed and vicious human, a dog is still on the short end.

    Naturally if you're running a "compound" or fortress-type home, large packs of trained dogs would be the thing, assuming that the bad guys get past the moat and gators. ha ha. What I'm saying here is that for the average person, with a regular-size house, one or two dogs is it. And frankly, dogs that are trained for attack can also bite the hell out of the neighbor or postman or just some stranger walking down the street -- dogs "try to do the right thing" but they screw up and you're facing a huge lawsuit.

    IMO, the best use of a dog is an early warning system. Now you're a team -- dog's hearing and general instincts do what they should, alert the alpha dog (you) to potential danger. Unless they're some sort of specialist nuclear site patrol dog, no dog is equal to the bad guy's firearm or ballbat. You however are. The dog is properly your partner and can do a great job even if it's a small animal. As was correctly said, you don't want Fido's brains bashed in for no reason.

    Regarding the firearm, if granny or gramps has a shotgun or pistol sitting in the closet unused for 20 years, you're not doing a good job to help them. Take them shooting occasionally -- every 6 months is fine -- so that they're confident in using the weapon and that it gets a good workout and cleaning as needed.

    And regarding the need to rack the slide? Er, my pistols are ALREADY racked, the 1911s cocked and locked, the XD/XDMs loaded with a shell in the chamber. This grandpa (actually great-grandpa, step-variety) is now 70 and has immediate access to several .45s that are ready to fire, no TV-style "racking" needed.

    And yeah, they're regularly fired and then cleaned and lubed, then reloaded with fresh ammo.

    Your standard-issue granny or gramps might not be as gun-savvy, of course, which then places the burden to you to see that they get to the range now and then. They'll have fun. And if they're genuinely unable to handle a firearm properly, you'll then find out and get them to invest in one of those alert buzzers and alarm system. Not the best, but better than putting false reliance on a firearm that they can't handle when needed.

    And agreed, this has been a terrific thread -- some goofy stuff as always but also plenty of good discussion.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    "And agreed, this has been a terrific thread -- some goofy stuff as always but also plenty of good discussion."

    :yesno:

    Well you always do a stellar job in supplying copious well articulated and stimulating goofy, so We are well covered in that department.

    Sometimes advice that has worked well in the past does not always fit another situation without improvement, and sometimes it is just impractical, but ideas help foment other ideas.

    Then you get a

    :win:
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    [QUOTE=DoctorWho;53268
    Well you always do a stellar job in supplying copious well articulated and stimulating goofy, so We are well covered in that department.
    [/QUOTE]

    Glad to know that I have some value to this forum. But what did I say that was goofy?

    Sent from my HP Pavilion laptop by MS Windows IE7.
Sign In or Register to comment.
Magazine Cover

GET THE MAGAZINE Subscribe & Save

Temporary Price Reduction

SUBSCRIBE NOW

Give a Gift   |   Subscriber Services

PREVIEW THIS MONTH'S ISSUE

GET THE NEWSLETTER Join the List and Never Miss a Thing.

Get the top Guns & Ammo stories delivered right to your inbox every week.

Advertisement