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  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 3,395 Senior Member
    early wrote: »
    A sudden stoppage of newly manufactured small arms would have no influence at all on the ones already in private ownership. Any government squeeze on ammunition sales would result in whole political suicide.

    Armored police cars are afar cry from a police state, and offer very small officer protection in comparison to the enormous cost.

    People that are anti cop change their mind pretty quick when deprived of the rule of law. And people that advocate more draconian, and heavy handed enforcement can change their minds quick when it's their own rights or freedoms being jeopardized.

    Early,

    I suppose initially, my post was nuanced and I felt people would pick up on the fact that we've been played. I'll elaborate.

    What if, the thought was to create an atmosphere of distrust, between the government and the people? Well, that's here and now.

    What if, the thought was to create a national police force? Well, Obama has already indicated this is what he'd like to see. It's not his idea, it's part of the progressive socialist play book. But before he does, he'd certainly want them to have the means to support the progressive socialist pogrom.

    What if, that national police force had to become a bit more militaristic, to begin to feel that IT is under attack - the old us against them thing?

    What if, this were part of the plan? Not only make them feel they are under attack, but to help them become better prepared to meet social unrest on the side of the progressives vs the ideologically opposed?

    Then, once the police force feels it's under attack, then everyone is the enemy.

    Ask yourself this question. "why is it, our current government does not feel compelled to name a 'true' enemy of the country, but is quick and entirely willing to name enemies of the government?" The truth of the matter is, neither Republican nor Democrat are truly supportive of grass roots movements. This would include those whose aim it is to diminish the role of government in our lives. With the reality of hacking in our lives today, can you really feel secure that your electronic vote is secure?

    As for this myopic belief that x-number of millions of guns and ammunition would support a revolution totally ignores that the brunt of a revolution would be born by less than 2% of the military aged and capable citizens. The rest would raise their hands in surrender and many of them would also report on their neighbors.

    If you believe any "militia" could become powerful enough to actually make a difference is simply unrealistic. It would be named an enemy organization and its leaders set up and killed in "legal shootings."

    The only hope, comes if many of those who currently serve their communities would decide they don't want to be part of the oppressors and would stand with the people.

    Don't believe me? What if someone wanted to start a million armed march on Washington? Just a demonstration, not a threat. Do you think it would get off the ground?
    It's a source of great pride for me, that when my name is googled, one finds book titles and not mug shots. Daniel C. Chamberlain
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    I think I understand the rational.

    It seems to me that financial control or subjugation of the masses is not only easier, and more subtle, it's also more likely. Education and monetary resource denied to the populace makes them easy to manipulate, no force or national police needed.

    I would be in greater fear of privatization of local municipalities something also currently happening, than forceful take over by central government.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • tubabucknuttubabucknut Banned Posts: 3,520 Senior Member
    Aaaaaaaand here is another.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nypd-commissioner-bill-bratton-harsh-words-mailman-arrest-brooklyn/

    Does two make a statistic? How many make a statistic?

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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,744 Senior Member
    Early,

    I suppose initially, my post was nuanced and I felt people would pick up on the fact that we've been played. I'll elaborate.

    What if, the thought was to create an atmosphere of distrust, between the government and the people? Well, that's here and now.

    What if, the thought was to create a national police force? Well, Obama has already indicated this is what he'd like to see. It's not his idea, it's part of the progressive socialist play book. But before he does, he'd certainly want them to have the means to support the progressive socialist pogrom.

    What if, that national police force had to become a bit more militaristic, to begin to feel that IT is under attack - the old us against them thing?

    What if, this were part of the plan? Not only make them feel they are under attack, but to help them become better prepared to meet social unrest on the side of the progressives vs the ideologically opposed?

    Then, once the police force feels it's under attack, then everyone is the enemy.

    Ask yourself this question. "why is it, our current government does not feel compelled to name a 'true' enemy of the country, but is quick and entirely willing to name enemies of the government?" The truth of the matter is, neither Republican nor Democrat are truly supportive of grass roots movements. This would include those whose aim it is to diminish the role of government in our lives. With the reality of hacking in our lives today, can you really feel secure that your electronic vote is secure?

    As for this myopic belief that x-number of millions of guns and ammunition would support a revolution totally ignores that the brunt of a revolution would be born by less than 2% of the military aged and capable citizens. The rest would raise their hands in surrender and many of them would also report on their neighbors.

    If you believe any "militia" could become powerful enough to actually make a difference is simply unrealistic. It would be named an enemy organization and its leaders set up and killed in "legal shootings."

    The only hope, comes if many of those who currently serve their communities would decide they don't want to be part of the oppressors and would stand with the people.

    Don't believe me? What if someone wanted to start a million armed march on Washington? Just a demonstration, not a threat. Do you think it would get off the ground?

    Not another Conspiracy Theory. Please. Obama has not established a National Police Agency in nearly eight years, and I don't seriously think he will in the last seven months. I've heard a lot of them from hanging out in a right wing environment. One of my favorites is that Obama will "declare a national emergency" and continue to serve without running. Ignorance of the Constitution never got in the way of a Conspiracy Theory.

    Kind of a weird theory. I'm only paranoid when in the presence of other paranoid people.
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  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 3,395 Senior Member
    It's not a conspiracy theory when one sees the tenets of marxism being played out before their very eyes. The unrest is being deliberately fueled - on both sides. As for Obama, his time is short. But the people pulling his strings will still be there. Pulling Hillary's, or Elizabeth Warren's or Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden's. It doesn't matter whose in the Oval Office. What matters is their compliance and a complicit press and an apathetic electorate.
    It's a source of great pride for me, that when my name is googled, one finds book titles and not mug shots. Daniel C. Chamberlain
  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 3,395 Senior Member
    Add another dead cop this afternoon.
    It's a source of great pride for me, that when my name is googled, one finds book titles and not mug shots. Daniel C. Chamberlain
  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,462 Senior Member
    Have attacks on police skyrocketed? I'm very dubious of that claim. Murder and general violent crime are down significantly since the 80's. Sounds like just an excuse to spend all the stolen, I mean "civilly forfeighted", cash they've all been bringing in to me. Just more of the same trend of militarization of the police we've been seeing since 9/11.

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