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House votes to ban Confederate flags on VA cemetery flagpoles

sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior MemberPosts: 1,933 Senior Member
This was "wonderful" news to wake up to this morning. It proves to me that at least 265 members of our house of representatives have absolutely no sense of honor/respect. Many Confederate soldiers are buried with honors in our national cemeteries including Arlington. What is their next step? Dig them up and "chunk" them in landfills?

House votes to ban Confederate flags on VA cemetery flagpoles
BY ANDREW TAYLOR
ASSOCIATED PRESS
WASHINGTON (AP) — The House has voted to ban the display of the Confederate flag on flagpoles at Department of Veterans Affairs cemeteries.
The 265-159 vote would block descendants and others seeking to commemorate veterans of the Confederate States of America from flying the Confederate Battle Flag over mass graves, even on days that flag displays are permitted.
California Democrat Jared Huffman authored the prohibition, saying the flag represents "racism, slavery and division."
After a mass shooting at a South Carolina black church last year, the state legislature ordered the flag removed from the capitol in Columbia.
The House approved amendments last year to block the display and sale of the Confederate flag at national parks but a backlash from Southern Republicans caused GOP leaders to scrap the underlying spending bill.
This story has been corrected to reflect that the cemeteries are part of the Department of Veterans Affairs, not the Veterans Administration.

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    The "De-Confederateization" of America like when the USSR did a De-Stalinization.

    Erasing history they decided they don't like under the guise of whatever PC baloney is fashionable at the time and agreeing to do it because not that they give a rats ass, but it will gain them VOTES if they do and cost them if they don't (they think, anyhow).

    Hell man, if the Stars and Bars flew in all 50 states, at least, Southern gentlemen would be gracious enough to let the Stars and Stripes fly to honor their war dead and heroes at monuments/memorials/statues/cemeteries.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 25,094 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 wrote: »
    California Democrat Jared Huffman authored the prohibition, saying the flag represents "racism, slavery and division."

    Need to know anything more?
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    California Democrat Jared Huffman and every Congresscritter that voted for that can go take a long walk off a short pier with tuna heads tied to them at high tide, and concrete overshoes. I wouldn't wipe my backside with their suede tanned hides. Can't remove residual excrement by wiping with pure excrement!

    I guess the anus chapeaus forgot that part about Federal law that treats Confederate grave sites at national cemeteries the same as Union grave sites. Democrats tend to run roughshod over any Federal law or regulation that gets in the way of their agenda. More from the party of the mentally deficient and morally bankrupt.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Need to know anything more?

    That sounds like a broken record. All the PC Politicians jump on the Vote band wagon. Same words put me to sleep and sound so fake, which they are.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I'm glad to see this! This action will end racism in the USA.

    Exactly, just like all those warning labels on Tobacco and Alcohol products work so good to make people abstain from their use. And to go one step further, like taking guns away from the law abiding is going to end crime in the U.S.

    What's NOT to love?
    All of this horse hockey for one thing.
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  • roadkingroadking Senior Member Posts: 3,056 Senior Member
    I still have a 3x5' or three laying around as well as the 1.5x2.5' that we flew off the boat during tourneys.

    They can pound sand. I'm a yankee by birth, but southern at heart.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    What will they do next, propose high taxes on the flags...........yeah that's it... it will stop black on black crime and cure all racial division in America............oh wait.........Obammy was supposed to heal all that and make the world a safer more loving place wasn't he?
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    California Democrat Jared Huffman and every Congresscritter that voted for that can go take a long walk off a short pier with tuna heads tied to them at high tide, and concrete overshoes. I wouldn't wipe my backside with their suede tanned hides. Can't remove residual excrement by wiping with pure excrement!

    I guess the anus chapeaus forgot that part about Federal law that treats Confederate grave sites at national cemeteries the same as Union grave sites. Democrats tend to run roughshod over any Federal law or regulation that gets in the way of their agenda. More from the party of the mentally deficient and morally bankrupt.

    Amen!!

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  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    What will they do next, propose high taxes on the flags...........yeah that's it... it will stop black on black crime and cure all racial division in America............oh wait.........Obammy was supposed to heal all that and make the world a safer more loving place wasn't he?

    He must have! Didn't they award him the Nobel Peace prize? Surely he did SOMETHING to deserve that! <sarcasm>

    Luis
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  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    This is ignorant indiscriminate dogma of the very same vien that the proponents proclaim to denounce. I liken to a person claiming that all turbins are symbolic of terrorism.

    Dogma by any other name remains the same.
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  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    California Democrat Jared Huffman and every Congresscritter that voted for that can go take a long walk off a short pier with tuna heads tied to them at high tide, and concrete overshoes. I wouldn't wipe my backside with their suede tanned hides. Can't remove residual excrement by wiping with pure excrement!

    I guess the anus chapeaus forgot that part about Federal law that treats Confederate grave sites at national cemeteries the same as Union grave sites. Democrats tend to run roughshod over any Federal law or regulation that gets in the way of their agenda. More from the party of the mentally deficient and morally bankrupt.
    I can see that you are familiar with the actual flag of the Confederate States of America. I'm confident it could be flown anywhere without protest as these ignorant legislators and protesters are convinced the battle flag/naval ensign of Virginia is the Confederate flag. Although the Confederacy lost their fight for freedom and their bravery was still honored and should always be honored by the Union victors. If this retroactive racism BS is allowed to continue it could tear our amazing nation apart. Which seems to be the current agenda. I have a dog in this hunt. My great, great Grandfather Tyree at the age of 33 joined the Volunteer Army of Tennessee in early 1862. He had a small farm near Murfreesboro. I doubt if he knew anyone who owned a slave. He joined to protect states rights, his family, his neighbors, and a way of life. His first major battle his first major battle was Murfreesboro/Stones River. He was made a Sergeant (probably because of his age) and fell at the battle of Franklin, TN in 1864. His widow and my 14 year old Great Grandfather Jasper enlisted the help of a neighbor with a wagon to recover the body. Tyree was buried at his home. I could go on but will leave it at that.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Check the flag to the left of this post. It's the 1861 Tennessee flag, and it could also be flown without protest. I have two ancestors who enlisted in Nashville from the Dickson TN area. At least one survived the war and can be found in census records from around the turn of the 20th. Century.
    Jerry
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 wrote: »
    I can see that you are familiar with the actual flag of the Confederate States of America. I'm confident it could be flown anywhere without protest as these ignorant legislators and protesters are convinced the battle flag/naval ensign of Virginia is the Confederate flag. Although the Confederacy lost their fight for freedom and their bravery was still honored and should always be honored by the Union victors. If this retroactive racism BS is allowed to continue it could tear our amazing nation apart. Which seems to be the current agenda. I have a dog in this hunt. My great, great Grandfather Tyree at the age of 33 joined the Volunteer Army of Tennessee in early 1862. He had a small farm near Murfreesboro. I doubt if he knew anyone who owned a slave. He joined to protect states rights, his family, his neighbors, and a way of life. His first major battle his first major battle was Murfreesboro/Stones River. He was made a Sergeant (probably because of his age) and fell at the battle of Franklin, TN in 1864. His widow and my 14 year old Great Grandfather Jasper enlisted the help of a neighbor with a wagon to recover the body. Tyree was buried at his home. I could go on but will leave it at that.

    The ignorance of the Left will tear this amazing nation apart, and it's already doing a pretty good job of that. If we let the left win this election I'm pretty sure we're done for it as we know this amazing nation. It would amaze me if it could recover again after that. I'll take my chances with Trump.
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,916 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I'm glad to see this! This action will end racism in the USA.
    Probably do more to prevent "trigger warnings" in liberals. They're also doing their best to erase history.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Try to bury history; fabricate elaborate lies to hide the truth; attempt to remove all traces of that part of history that 'offends' you. But know one thing and know it well. The TRUTH will still be standing silently in the middle of the room pointing to itself.

    Down the road a couple miles from me is a road called No Pone Valley Road. It acquired that name during the Civil War when sherman's troops came through. They took EVERYTHING resembling food, and all the cattle, hogs, chickens, horses and mules. They pillaged any valuables that they could steal and carry away, which wasn't much. It was, after all, East TN. There wasn't any corn left to grind into cornmeal, so no one had any meal to make corn pone, hence the name No Pone Valley. Funny thing about Tennessee, it's divided into the Three Grand Divisions, East, Middle, and West. East TN was pro Union until the Union showed up. At that point the hornet's nest was kicked hard, and the results are history for those who care to read it. East TN became virulently Confederate in short order. :roll2:

    I'm still waiting for the filthy slimeballs in power to start taking down the Confederate memorials at the Chickamauga and Chattanooga National Military Park. There have been several attempts already to remove the monument at Stone Mountain, GA because it is 'politically incorrect'. Kind of the same motivation the Taliban had when they destroyed all those Buddhist monuments in Afghanistan; same kind of mindset. Destroy that which does not reinforce their narrow minded system of beliefs. The Progressive Left is the American Taliban, IMO, and worthy of the label.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    The same thing happened in Greenbrier Tennessee where my great grandmother's husband's family lived. Before the Battle of Nashville, the union army took everything they could lay hands on, and then looted her future husband's tobacco shop down to the bare walls when they finally overran Nashville. Lots of "reconstruction" atrocities happened during the postwar occupation of Nashville, as well.
    Jerry
  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    revisionist history.
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    The hypocrisy of the government is stupefying. The precedent of honoring our opponents in our cemeteries was clearly established with the dedication of the "Peace Through Unity" Indian Memorial, in the Little Bighorn Battlefield National Monument, which is also a cemetery. Heck, why not erect an equestrian statue of Santa Ana at the Alamo. The city of Tucson has an equestrian statue of Pancho Villa, so what's the problem? With the precedents we've set, it would be proper to sprinkle some Nazi graves among our dead at Normandy, and who could object to interring AlQaeda and ISIS fighters in Arlington? Why not? Whether an Indian, a Nazi, or a terrorist, an enemy is an enemy is an enemy.

    Idea: We tell Vietnam that if they find any more remains of American soldiers, they can keep them, and in the bull***t spirit of "peace through unity" they can dig up and ship over a few Viet Cong dead and we'll bury them good and proper at, say, Gettysburg. Feel the love!

    I have no idea why the discrimination against the Confederacy, its heroes, and its insignia persists, but it is rank hypocrisy.
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    The Confederate flag isn't a symbol of racism, it's a symbol of treason! I am however all for letting the traitors fly it above their cemeteries. It acts as a reminder to others of where they'll end up if they ever attempt to rise up against us Yanks again!

    Nothing inflammatory here. No hubris. No malice.
    No kidding?
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    The Confederate flag isn't a symbol of racism, it's a symbol of treason! I am however all for letting the traitors fly it above their cemeteries. It acts as a reminder to others of where they'll end up if they ever attempt to rise up against us Yanks again!

    Don't Declaration of Independence much, do ya! And the Constitution was NOT a suicide pact until the end of the War of Northern Aggression made it so.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security.


    Jefferson just waved his willy at ya with that bold part! :rotflmao:
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Don't Declaration of Independence much, do ya! And the Constitution was NOT a suicide pact until the end of the War of Northern Aggression made it so.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security.


    Jefferson just waved his willy at ya with that bold part! :rotflmao:

    Ha!Ha!Ha! What y'all expect? Libtards never did get that part. That's the problem.
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,467 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Kind of the same motivation the Taliban had when they destroyed all those Buddhist monuments in Afghanistan; same kind of mindset. Destroy that which does not reinforce their narrow minded system of beliefs. The Progressive Left is the American Taliban, IMO, and worthy of the label.

    Read it. Absorb it. Repeat it.:worthy:
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  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,591 Senior Member
    Reading the Declaration of Independence is like listening to great music to me.

    I do not believe that we should re-write history, unless doing so is an effort to establish or clarify truth. It is what it is.

    Soldiers who fight for what they believe in should be honored by those who benefited from their service, who shared their beliefs, or simply respect their willingness to sacrifice their lives for a cause they deemed worthy.

    Whether or not I agree with the cause for which Confederate Soldiers died is irrelevant, in my opinion. They are Americans. I respect them. Let them fly whatever flag they want.

    Moving on..........
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  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    The Confederate flag isn't a symbol of racism, it's a symbol of treason! I am however all for letting the traitors fly it above their cemeteries. It acts as a reminder to others of where they'll end up if they ever attempt to rise up against us Yanks again!

    How do you feel about the British flag, we fought two wars with the British Empire?
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