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Walter Russell Mead on Trump

JermanatorJermanator Senior MemberPosts: 16,244 Senior Member
The last couple of times I posted something from this guy, I got no responses. Mead takes the idea of what he calls, "the blue social model" (think back to lifetime employment with the same company, defined benefit pensions, strong middle class etc., from the 1950's through a good part of the 1980's) and warns that that social model is fading. Something is happening. Something new is coming, but we are having a hard time figuring out what it is and are clinging to the blue model in vain. The world is changing and we are trying to cling to the past when we really need to be looking toward the future and figuring out the best way to navigate it.

Anyway, he is one of the few people that I take seriously that writes political columns these days. When Dr. Mead puts something out, I read it. I give his writing quite a bit of merit. This is his take on Trump, and he does a good job of verbalizing they way I see things at the moment....

http://www.the-american-interest.com/2016/05/23/the-meaning-of-mr-trump/
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
-Thomas Paine

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  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    Good article overall, but this part I take exception to.

    "Myself, I don’t think the system is quite as corrupt as some Trump supporters believe or, perhaps more accurately, I lack their confidence that burning down the old house is the best way to build something new."

    1) I am totally convinced that the status quo is (for the most part) every bit as corrupt as anybody can imagine. In fact, I propose that it is much more so.

    2) Electing Trump is HARDLY "burning down the old house", and even if it WERE, I suggest that NOW is the time to do it, rather than to just sit back and (as he says), let Clinton guide us towards the reef. More like "guide us over the cliffs in a racecar at top speed" IMHO.

    We can ill afford the status quo for another 4-8 yrs, or I am convinced that we will likely see a depression that will make the 30's seem more like the 80's.

    More to the point, whether we see another depression or another booming economic period, I personally want to face either prospect well armed, and capable of defending myself and my family. I do NOT foresee that happening if Clinton has her way with the Supreme Court nominations we are likely to see over these next few years.

    Luis
    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    It is an interesting article, and it does identify some obvious problems. What it does not do is offer any hope of a solution. It is, in effect, predicting the same political, economic, and social apocalypse that conspiracists have been predicting for years. We are circling the drain, and the politicians are becoming louder and shriller, in their efforts to blame each other for the failure of big government solutions to basic problems with basic solutions that none of them have the courage, or power, to initiate.

    This election year's 'un-popularity contest' is simply the end result of decades of an increasingly uninformed and uneducated electorate choosing the least-worst big government figurehead whose only goal is to pin the blame on everyone else for it's failure to deliver Utopia to its undeserving public.

    Meanwhile, out here in the hinterlands, ordinary working folks are laboring away to earn enough to finance their family's prosperity, and subsistence for 2 or 3 worthless wards of the state, and pretending that everything is going to be all right for their children, as long as they work hard and pay their taxes.

    It will soon be up to the states to save themselves. Maybe it always has been, except during the world wars when everyone could more or less agree on who the enemy was.
  • North ForestNorth Forest Member Posts: 358 Member
    Well said, bisley, I agree.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,886 Senior Member
    I'll admit I haven't read the article yet, but I'll say three things:

    A. Electing Trump won't do a bit of good unless we change Congress and do some serious ravamping of our state, county, and city governments. The whole system is rotten, and just changing one person with limited power is really more symbolic than anything. I mean Congress is who doles out the money that facilitates a lot of the stuff we complain about. Plus they are responsible for bad laws either through passing it or allowing it to be done through regulations.

    B. People need to get involved and hold their elected representatives to their jobs. They're representatives, not elected leaders.

    C. This should be in the political forum.
    I'm just here for snark.
  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    Electing "register and confiscate" Hillary is not the solution, you have three choices in Nov, Trump, Hillary or let someone else decide for you.
  • NomadacNomadac Senior Member Posts: 902 Senior Member
    I'll admit I haven't read the article yet, but I'll say three things:

    A. Electing Trump won't do a bit of good unless we change Congress and do some serious ravamping of our state, county, and city governments. The whole system is rotten, and just changing one person with limited power is really more symbolic than anything. I mean Congress is who doles out the money that facilitates a lot of the stuff we complain about. Plus they are responsible for bad laws either through passing it or allowing it to be done through regulations.

    B. People need to get involved and hold their elected representatives to their jobs. They're representatives, not elected leaders.

    C. This should be in the political forum.

    A. A electing Trump will do good as he can veto any excessive spending bills and increasing Government that the voters do not support. I hope he makes an effort to cancel some of the Departments that we do not need and eliminate many of the Regulations that hamper both Small and Big Businesses.

    B. The Voters need to get involved with their elected Representatives both Local, State and Federal and let them know how they feel and what action they should take. Typically less than 2%, I suspect ever contact their Representatives.

    C. Many voters are oblivious as to what is going on in Government and some cannot even identify who the politicians are when interviewed.

    It has often been said " You get the Politicians and results you deserve due to lack of interest and voting"
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,991 Senior Member
    We can hope that a President Clinton’s instincts for power and self-preservation will make her something better than the earnest custodian of a failing status quo, and we can hope that a President Trump would prove inspired and lucky rather than bumptiously sharp-tongued. But hope is not a plan.
    :agree:
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
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