Need Shooting Competition Ideas

centermass556centermass556 Senior MemberPosts: 3,509 Senior Member
On my way out the door here I am trying to arrange a shooting competition with our M9s and M16's. I will use the same ideas when I am 1SG. The idea is team building, bragging rights, so on and so forth. I have to Stress Safety, most of these guys are Rear Echelon and only shoot every six months because the Army Makes them.

Off the top of my head, I am thinking of a KD shoot with the M-16s out to 600M. I will start the targets at 200m, 300m,350m,400m,450m,500m,550m,600m. I will make the targets progressively larger as they get further out.

The other is I wanted to do tightest group at 50M.

For M9 I wanted to a 5 targets, 7 rnds, and at 10m for time. Targets missed will be 5 sec tacked on to the total time.

Do you guys have any other suggestions?
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  • PegasusPegasus Senior Member Posts: 2,645 Senior Member
    I've never been in the military so I know nothing about the training methods and the psychology behind them but let me see; Rear Echelon, M16s, M855 and 600M; this ought to be fun. I'm not sure what kind of team you are trying to build, but feeling good about themselves is obviously not a goal. Unless you are using the side of a barn as a target, I would think 300M is probably as far as you want to go for a start. I would also put targets at 50, 100 and 200. Let them build up their skills.

    Team shooting is a good way to build team spirit. Assign 2 or 4 guys per target and they each must shoot a set number of shot. Take the total value per target and that's your winning team. They will soon sort out a pecking order among themselves. Put a small target dead center on the 300 yard target and whoever hits gets bragging rights.

    Just some randoms thoughts on a rainy (at last) Saturday morning. Good luck.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 7,078 Senior Member
    Kinda depends - are you just having a shootin' match, or are you doing training as well?

    Since they're REMFs, you probably do want to stick with fairly basic known distance stuff - at least for starters - but that doesn't mean you can't throw in some weapon manipulation drills necessitated by reloads or dummy rounds surreptitiously placed into their magazines. 600 meters is probably a stretch for somebody who shoots as infrequently as these guys do. As for target size, remember what your job is. I wouldn't have anything bigger than a human silhouette to shoot at.

    I don't know what the military is currently teaching for the M16, but the rest of the world has gone to running the charging handle with the first index finger knuckle of the left hand, leaving the right hand on the pistol grip to engage targets. Lets you clear malfunctions while keeping the rifle up and in your shoulder.

    Different positions would be a must, and unorthodox "modified" positions necessitated by cover are always good. As shooters, we tend to take a lot of this stuff for granted, but watch some guys and you'll notice people that just don't know how to hold a weapon - it isn't even remotely a part of them.

    A timed team exercise where round keep going downrange even if one member of a pair is reloading is always good.

    How crazy you get with your course will depend on how many other instructor types you have with you. A high ratio of instructors means you can run a serious IPSC course in relative safety. If it's just you running the whole platoon, better stick with the static firing line.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,184 Senior Member
    I like to include a "stop plate" in my timed events....the last target...have to hit it to stop the timer. Doesn't need to be a particularly difficult target but I have seen guys burn up an embarrassing amount of ammo on a stop plate...something about the imagined pressure to stop the timer I suspect....had one guy run dry and start throwing rocks at it...
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  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 1,871 Senior Member
    I always wanted to make a Christmas tree like device similar to the drag racing item of the same name. Say 5 plates on a side. You try and shoot yours over the opponents side, while they do the same to you. The winner is the person with the least plates after a certain amount of time or rounds.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,919 Senior Member
    Sounds like you got her covered centermass, and since you know what the military issues are, for some civy like me to try to give you suggestions would be ludacris. I wouldn't know where to start. So carry on my good man! You definitely got it by the yang yang!!!
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  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,425 Senior Member
    Check out the episode of the Discovery Channel show "Surviving the Cut" about the 160th SOAR's Green Platoon. Their firearms stage reminds me a heckuvva lot of a 3-gun match.

    Honestly, I feel like you could draw a lot of your inspiration from checking out some 3-gun, IDPA, and IPSC stuff. Modify it to revolve specifically around the M16 and M9, throw in some AWT related skills, perhaps an IED lane, first aid, etc, and you are good to go!

    (As a side note, I was brainstorming about how I could make something like this happen in my unit, albeit on a much smaller scale. I'm glad I'm not the only one, and I'm VERY interested as to how this ends up working out for you)
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,775 Senior Member
    Check out the episode of the Discovery Channel show "Surviving the Cut" about the 160th SOAR's Green Platoon. Their firearms stage reminds me a heckuvva lot of a 3-gun match.

    Honestly, I feel like you could draw a lot of your inspiration from checking out some 3-gun, IDPA, and IPSC stuff. Modify it to revolve specifically around the M16 and M9, throw in some AWT related skills, perhaps an IED lane, first aid, etc, and you are good to go!

    (As a side note, I was brainstorming about how I could make something like this happen in my unit, albeit on a much smaller scale. I'm glad I'm not the only one, and I'm VERY interested as to how this ends up working out for you)

    I'll second that. I don't know what sort of range facilities you have but something like an IDPA/3-gun match setup I think would be far better than any type of competition that just requires firing from a fixed location. Even if you are on a traditional range with fixed firing positions there are options. I'd try to do something focused on speed and weapon manipulation skills that might not get worked in a normal range session...draw, reloads, transitions between targets. You could probably set something up with silhouette targets at different distances between 10 and 200 yds, possibly requiring moving between firing positions.
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  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,509 Senior Member
    Thanks for the Ideas...

    Matt, I have been to the Green Platoon range. I have shot their set up. Actually I have shot a lot on the 5th SFG/160th Range. But, I haven't gone through green platoon..Good lord, that is a month long a skull dragging. You really earn your right to be called Night Stalker...

    600M was what I saw at a shooting competition hosted by the Danish in Bosnia. I am thinking that it will be a building goal. 300M is already the standard in the Army.

    There will be training. This is not something I am just going to throw at them and have them go at it. I will start with basic BRM and Pistol and build up to this. Maybe once a qtr have the competition.


    Let me clarify the Team building aspect....They don't have to hit the 600M to win...If the best shot that day was 500M, then the 500M shot wins. Soldiers, true Soldiers, love to rise to a challenge. Not being able to hit the mark doesn't crush them, it drives them to push harder. So, Having the squad with the best shooter or shooters builds that squad's morale, gives them bragging rights, and gives the other squads a mark to achieve. I guess it is one of things you wouldn't get if you haven't been in that environment...
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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,550 Senior Member
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,184 Senior Member
    Tugar wrote: »
    I always wanted to make a Christmas tree like device similar to the drag racing item of the same name. Say 5 plates on a side. You try and shoot yours over the opponents side, while they do the same to you. The winner is the person with the least plates after a certain amount of time or rounds.

    They've got those...they're called "Dueling Trees"...and they are just stupid fun...
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  • PegasusPegasus Senior Member Posts: 2,645 Senior Member
    The Royal Danish Army issues Canadian-build C7 and C8 carbines in 5.56 NATO (of course.) I believe their sniper rifles are Sako TRG in 338 Lapua Magnum, HK 417 in 7.62 and some Barretts in 50 cal. The C7s and C8 should be a lot of fun at 600M with SS109 ammo.

    As I said, I've never been in the military so I don't know anything about shooting or competition or long range marksmanship or team building.
  • sarg1csarg1c Senior Member Posts: 1,707 Senior Member
    Centermass, congrats on the chance to make 1SG. I retired as E-7 turning down E-8 with a Helicopter unit here in Kentucky. I would have to stay another 2 years to hold the rank and had always been with these engineers, So I just stayed until I retired. sounds like you are with the 101st and if so are you still at Camble?.... I finished up with a combat engineer Battalion as the communications NCO. I also as an extra duty assighnment served as the Marksmanship coordinator taking troops to Ft knox to try out for the Kentucky State Rifle team. We shot the M-16 A2 and the M-60 .also the m-9 and they did quite well competing with other state's teams. Again, congrats if you make 1SG and if you don't, sounds like you should have. E=mail me some time....
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,550 Senior Member
    Pegasus wrote: »
    The C7s and C8 should be a lot of fun at 600M with SS109 ammo.
    500 wasnt all that bad with the A1 and issue ammo, and I am pretty sure that ss109 should fair a tad better.

    If you have access to barriers, then shoot 5 kneeling /5 prone rt side / 5 prone lt side from unloaded standing facing rear at your 50m tgt. To make it fun, lean the rifle on the barrier and have them turn around and make like thay are taking a leak, then the horn goes off. Give then 90 seconds to complete.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • sarg1csarg1c Senior Member Posts: 1,707 Senior Member
    Center mass, I don't have any suggestions, we always shot what is standard , run in set up fire, tear down run to next position, all timed of course. all at stacionary targets ,then at the pop-ups.... you'll figure out something no doubt. Good Luck.
  • joseph06joseph06 Member Posts: 133 Member
    I kind of like the idea of head to head pistol competition where both shooters are shooting at once. I've done this with friends, and it's always a fun challenge. When you are shooting for time/accuracy against the guy next you, there's potential for more adrenaline because you're hearing him shoot right next to you. And, if it's a team event, both teams get to cheer on their respective shooter. You could do the same thing with M4's/M16s as well, I would imagine.
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