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Good Op-Ed in American Military News

bisleybisley Posts: 10,815 Senior Member

Op-Ed: Are We Getting Closer To Civil Disobedience From One Of The Most Law Abiding Segments Of Society?[/h][h=3]By: CDR LE (Ret.) Chris Wagoner[/h]Chris is a U.S. Army Veteran and has been in law enforcement the last 35+ years. He specializes in LE Firearms Instruction, and is in charge of a large Police Academy in North Florida. In his spare time Chris is a free-lance Military Reporter and owner/founder of the Largest Military Videos Channel on YouTube "3rdID8487".

"How close are we to more violence? Not the kind like in Orlando at the Pulse Nightclub, perpetrated by a terrorist bent on killing innocent people, but the kind caused by a government that oversteps its authority and tries to force its citizens to comply to its demands. Do the anti-firearms, anti-2nd Amendment legislators realize that if they push too far, the law abiding, peaceful gun owners who want nothing more than to be left alone and allowed to exercise their Constitutional Right, will be turned into criminals by a swipe of a pen? Once that is done, can these law-abiding pro-Second Amendment supporters be pushed to the point of civil unrest and possibly violence?

I am part of the segment of society that believes in a person’s rights, not just the Second Amendment, but all of the Constitutional rights. And many I have talked with (hundreds of them) have voiced the concern that they feel the government is approaching the point where regular Americans, who never thought for a minute in their lifetime they would be deprived of their Constitutional Rights, or forced into becoming possible criminals by that very same government, feel that we are quickly approaching that point!
What might be the consequences?
Let’s consider for this thought exercise that the government passes new gun laws and one of them calls for the voluntary turning in of any semi-automatic rifles of certain kinds. How many firearms owners would actually turn them in? And if they did not turn them in, do you actually think that the State, County or Local police would participate in any kind of physical confiscation seizure?
With over 300 million firearms in the US, and over 100 million gun owners, there are not enough officers to enforce any kind of law like this. It is logistically impossible! With an average (according to the IACP) of 2.5 officers per 1000 citizens, the odds are not in their favor.
This also brings into account a minor issue of the citizens of the U.S. that believe that it is part of being an American to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from both foreign and domestic enemies.
Does that sound familiar? It should because it’s the same oath all cops, military and elected officials take. I have taken it several times. And I think that our U.S. legislators better be careful what they wish for and what they try to pass when it comes to violating the Second Amendment. There are many of us across this great land that can understand those four simple words in the Second Amendment “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”. There are not a whole lot of ways to take that.
If they want your firearms will you turn them in? To what length would you go to prevent them from being “taken”? Would you go so far as to use force to prevent the unconstitutional enforcement of something like we talked about above? I know where I stand, what about you?"

Chris is a U.S. Army Veteran and has been in law enforcement the last 35+ years. He specializes in LE Firearms Instruction, and is in charge of a large Police Academy in North Florida. In his spare time Chris is a free-lance Military Reporter and owner/founder of the Largest Military Videos Channel on YouTube “3rdID8487”.

Personally, I can make the first part of that decision, easily - refusing to turn in my semi-auto rifles - because the Sheriff of my county has gone on record, nationally, as saying that any new federal gun laws will not be enforced by his office, in my county.

Of course, if that changes, it makes the decision tougher, and it does not necessarily mean that the feds cannot come and demand that I comply, unless the Sheriff 'ups the ante' and says that he will actually prevent it. Also, I would expect the Governor to weigh in, and he has been very much pro 2A, throughout his administration.

The fact that sheriffs all over the country have expressed this same opinion, or similar, makes it more unlikely that such action would be attempted by the feds, but...it's 'legacy' time for Obama, and Hilary has to go along or he will throw her to the wolves, so anything could happen, if enough Republicans weasel out, or if they get booted in November.


  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,752 Senior Member
    What it all comes down to is, how will the first encounters turn out. Remember the media is now controlled by the current administration. More so now than ever before. When they knock on the door and it is several uniformed officers with a warrent, will you fight ? You may but one person can not win. Will they kill your dog and possibly your family? Without a dout those that would take such actions would and the news would say suspect killed by police executing a warrent. But, I would never think that the gungrabbers could/would be re elected but they have been over and over. I am not convinced we have enough true Americans left anymore and that truly makes me sad.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • bisleybisley Posts: 10,815 Senior Member
    Well, everybody makes bold statements about what they would do, but it probably all depends upon the circumstances, at the time. There isn't much point in going down in a hail of gunfire if the news headline is going to be, "ATF Kills Gunman in Illegal Arms Raid - Massive Arsenal Recovered."
  • timctimc Posts: 6,684 Senior Member
    It has to start somewhere and the more it happens the closer they will come to not being able to cover it up. I am old and not up to stopping them from taking away my rights but I'll be damn if I will give them up either. Chalk it up to old and stubborn but then again I have been fairly nonconformist all my life! How it would end should the time come I do agree it would depend on the situation.
    timc - formerly known as timc on the last G&A forum and timc on the G&A forum before that and the G&A forum before that.....
    AKA: Former Founding Member
  • tennmiketennmike Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    If that day ever comes there will be a lot of 'voting from the rooftops' going on after the first few raids that result in government sanctioned murder. There are a lot of former military combat veterans out there that could and would organize armed resistance. I can think of three organizations of veterans that would do exactly that. If every LEO in local state and federal, and all military personnel went along with the confiscation and mobilized to carry it out, then they would be severely outnumbered and facing some seriously deadly resistance. The government has the big weapons but using them in big population centers would create a refugee situation of massive proportions that would bleed personnel from the confiscation mandate to the 'take care of the helpless sheep' role. This country would implode within a month.

    And using the U.S. armed forces and National Guard would be taking a BIG chance. There's still a solid core that would NOT take up arms against their countrymen because they remember that they took an oath to the Constitution and not elected officials.
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