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Activitists urging Clinton to challenge election results

JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior MemberPosts: 8,227 Senior Member
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/activists-urge-clinton-campaign-to-challenge-election-results-in-3-swing-states/ar-AAkD4w7?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked. The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private.


Last Thursday, the activists held a conference call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to make their case, according to a source briefed on the call. The academics presented findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000. While it’s important to note the group has not found proof of hacking or manipulation, they are arguing to the campaign that the suspicious pattern merits an independent review — especially in light of the fact that the Obama White House has accused the Russian government of hacking the Democratic National Committee.

According to current tallies, Trump has won 290 Electoral College votes to Clinton’s 232, with Michigan’s 16 votes not apportioned because the race there is still too close to call. It would take overturning the results in both Wisconsin (10 Electoral College votes) and Pennsylvania (20 votes), in addition to winning Michigan’s 16, for Clinton to win the Electoral College. There is also the complicating factor of “faithless electors,” or members of the Electoral College who do not vote according to the popular vote in their states. At least six electoral voters have said they would not vote for Trump, despite the fact that he won their states.

The Clinton camp is running out of time to challenge the election. According to one of the activists, the deadline in Wisconsin to file for a recount is Friday; in Pennsylvania, it’s Monday; and Michigan is next Wednesday. Whether Clinton will call for a recount remains unclear. The academics so far have only a circumstantial case that would require not just a recount but a forensic audit of voting machines. Also complicating matters, a senior Clinton adviser said, is that the White House, focused on a smooth transfer of power, does not want Clinton to challenge the election result. Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri did not respond to a request for comment. But some Clinton allies are intent on pushing the issue. This afternoon, Huma Abedin’s sister Heba encouraged her Facebook followers to lobby the Justice Department to audit the 2016 vote. “Call the DOJ…and tell them you want the votes audited,” she wrote. “Even if it’s busy, keep calling.”
Jerry

Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.

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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 8,227 Senior Member
    But (and there's always a but)

    http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/november2016/231116_clinton_recount.htm

    An effort by computer scientists and lawyers to pressure the Clinton campaign into pushing for an election recount in closely contested states over "hacked results" has been debunked before it even got off the ground.

    As the NY Mag reports, "The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked."

    Despite conceding the election, the Clinton campaign is also very keen on hearing them out, with chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias holding a conference call with the group last Thursday.

    However, as pollster Nate Silver (hardly a fan of Trump) points out, the claims are already on thin ice.

    The group claims that Clinton received 7 per cent fewer votes in counties that used electronic voting machines in comparison with those that used paper ballots and optical scanners.

    But as Silver points out, "Michigan has paper ballots everywhere, so not even sure what claim is being made there."
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,761 Senior Member
    Isn't an "activist" the same as a "Liberal rabble rouser"?
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

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  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    Regardless of the results I do think it would make sense to put in place a process for auditing every election to ensure there are no irregularities. Also every single vote should have a paper trail.

    ABSOFREAKINGLUTELY!!!!!!

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  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    Oops... Double post.
    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 8,227 Senior Member
    Regardless of the results I do think it would make sense to put in place a process for auditing every election to ensure there are no irregularities. Also every single vote should have a paper trail.

    Sounds good.

    How are you going to do it?
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 8,227 Senior Member
    Regardless of the results I do think it would make sense to put in place a process for auditing every election to ensure there are no irregularities. Also every single vote should have a paper trail.

    Sounds good.

    How are you going to do it in a timely fashion? They're still counting votes in California, and don't yet know how Michigan is going to go.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    "They're still counting votes in California"

    More likely they are still finding ballots in car trunks, under stairs, in deserted warehouses.
  • GunnerK19GunnerK19 Senior Member Posts: 1,094 Senior Member
    If it were popular vote that wins, this would have been the results. Basically CA, FL, NY, and TX telling the rest of the US to go pound sand, we don't care who you voted for.

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    The losers are REALLY BUTT-HURT ain't they!
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,301 Senior Member
    So, what we are talking about here is 'transparency' in how votes are recorded and the ability to do a full audit on each and every vote etc............

    I would go along with that.................PROVIDED........that the Clinton Foundation also suffers the same fate with how and what it collects money for, where the money is spent and what favours are 'purchased' with the money............
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    But- - - - -but- - - - -but- - - - - -how about those poor deceased dummycraps who won't be allowed to cast a vote- - - - -or maybe several of them, if strict accounting rules are followed!
    Jerry
  • rberglofrberglof Senior Member Posts: 2,824 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    But- - - - -but- - - - -but- - - - - -how about those poor deceased dummycraps who won't be allowed to cast a vote- - - - -or maybe several of them, if strict accounting rules are followed!
    Jerry

    Don't forget all the non citizen votes they would no longer count, as was said a few years ago "all votes must count" as long as it's for a liberal.
  • Fat BillyFat Billy Senior Member Posts: 1,813 Senior Member
    Al Gore still counting hanging chads! :fan: Later,
    Fat Billy

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