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Big Chief
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The Democrats’ real strategy in launching recounts
Big Chief
Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
Here is one take on why they are doing the challenge, but hopefully it will be resoved before the deadline.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_democrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts.html
"The Democrats’ real strategy in launching recounts
By Richard Baehr
The recount in Wisconsin, and the coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change the outcomes in any of the states. No recount ever changes thousands of votes. I do not think that is the purpose.
The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing the official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.
Then this goes to Congress, where the House voting 1 vote per state elects Trump, and Senate selects Pence. This would be first time Pthis happened since 1824, but in that case, John Quincy Adams won in the House, though he had fewer electoral college votes than Andrew Jackson.
If this goes to the US House and Senate, and the result is the same as result from the Electoral College without the recounts, why do it? The answer is to make Trump seem even more illegitimate, that he did not win the popular vote (he lost by over 2.1 million), he did not win the Electoral College (did not reach 270), and was elected by being inserted into the presidency by members of his own party in Congress."
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_democrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts.html
"The Democrats’ real strategy in launching recounts
By Richard Baehr
The recount in Wisconsin, and the coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change the outcomes in any of the states. No recount ever changes thousands of votes. I do not think that is the purpose.
The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing the official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.
Then this goes to Congress, where the House voting 1 vote per state elects Trump, and Senate selects Pence. This would be first time Pthis happened since 1824, but in that case, John Quincy Adams won in the House, though he had fewer electoral college votes than Andrew Jackson.
If this goes to the US House and Senate, and the result is the same as result from the Electoral College without the recounts, why do it? The answer is to make Trump seem even more illegitimate, that he did not win the popular vote (he lost by over 2.1 million), he did not win the Electoral College (did not reach 270), and was elected by being inserted into the presidency by members of his own party in Congress."
It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
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It may even work against them in the final tally.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/802972944532209664
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803033642545115140
Beats me. Election is over and time to "Go Forward/Move On" for the benefit of our country, as the Dems like to spout all the time.
Oh wait, they only say that when they are trying to divert attention away from themselves. Or when they got what they wanted.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
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"in this case." Relating to the Democrats calls for a recount. Trump has been adding some fuel to the flames by claiming there's been illegitimate votes being cast. He doesn't have to do that. I don't mind the "I could have won the popular vote if I wanted to." I actually expected that. His tweets on getting the electoral vote and some other comments have pointed to a subtle "I've been more concerned about the whole country than a few, select areas." I think that's been a good thing. But if you have both candidates fanning the flames of "the election results are wrong," what does that do to voter confidence and unity over the election?
In this case, I think Trump could have:
A. Pointed out the Democrats hypocrisy re: the 2000 election Bush v. Gore.
B. Pointed out the Democrats hypocrisy re: Hilary's comments about needing to accept the electoral results prior to Nov. 8.
C. Said that as POTUS he'll do what he can to examine alleged voting irregularities.
D. Kept mum on the entire situation.
And there's other options. But saying "I think the electoral results are suspicious" just plays along with the Democrats and doesn't help in this situation, IMHO.
:win::win::win: Exactly.
Luis
Jerry
Guess we have missed real news lately. Currently in Puerto Rico and from the discussions here the island is very left leaning. Now much news about the recount here
The DNC's counteroffensive plan A was using organized crime tactics of coercion, threats, and as last resort bribes to convince enough of the electoral college to change their votes on December 19th. Apparently this was not working So they initiated plan B.
Fall back on the fact that any candidate on the ballot has the right to request recounts if they pay the expenses. If Hillary and DNC made recount requests following her conceding the election they would look very bad even though her conceding is in no way legally binding. I don't know if they approached Gary Johnson first and he told them to pound sand but they ended up with Crazy Jill Stein. I'm not entirely sure if they are bribing her with any of the questionable origin donation money. I suspect the lunatic would pay for more media exposure. Big Chief thoroughly and accurately explained the details and most likely results of this desperate "hail Mary" plan so I won't repeat them. When Crazy Jill Filed her request which she called her demand in WI at the deadline November 23rd she and some attorney assured us the sole purpose of the recounts was to investigate and determine if any fraud, tampering, or hacking occurred and is not in any way an attempt to change the election results. LOL! I have not seen anything reporting if WI has agreed to a recount. I seriously doubt if MI which has already completed a mandatory recount will be interested in completing another one. PA does not seem to be much interested either. If the sole purpose of recounts is exposure of possible corruption of our election system why wouldn't they go for the low hanging fruit and just recount Illinois ?
Pissing in the wind by Crazy Jill and those who want a recount.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
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I say let the Democrats make this bed, and then let them lay in it. Stein and Johnson have done irreparable damage to the Green and Libertarian Parties - both might not ever recover from their mutual debacle of receiving statistically insignificant vote totals. Their only possible role is to be a spoiler for one major party or the other, with no hope of ever achieving a position of influence over policies and platforms. I would be happy to see the Democratic Party follow in their footsteps.
The Hill and Hill(ary) show want hand counts to hopefully screw up the Electoral College vote. Just like Dems/Libs demanding a Hand Count.
I'm beginning to hope that all the Libs/Dems spontaneously combust. Think of all the housing that would open up if that happened. And they would no longer have to worry about their carbon footprint, either! :roll2:
― Douglas Adams
Those in power, not so much government. Our elected officials have perverted our laws and as in this election's results, still doesn't get how ready half the Nation is to throw them all out the door. Can't help but believe that we are on the edge of a new Revolution with the heartland of America becoming a new Nation. First 100 days will tell... Alphie should be able to come up with the name of the Black preacher that said its dangerous to wake up the White man to a cause. BLM make it sound as if we were living in 1947.
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
"With the Wisconsin Election Commission working since last Thursday – when Stein paid $3.5 million for the recount after alleging reports of fraud – there has been little change so far to the unofficial results reported on Election Day. Trump won the state by 22,000 votes over Clinton.
In a twist, Trump is gaining.
By Wednesday morning, Trump had widened his victory margin over Clinton in Wisconsin by 146 votes, with 23 of the state's 72 counties having finished their recounts as of Tuesday. In those counties, Trump gained 105 votes and Clinton dropped 41 votes."
Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
A. Pointed out the Democrats hypocrisy re: the 2000 election Bush v. Gore.
Voting machine malfunction that was not a factor in the election.
C. Said that as POTUS he'll do what he can to examine alleged voting irregularities.
Excellent idea. I had the same. Recounts only confirm the accuracy of the vote count.
D. Kept mum on the entire situation.
Good luck with that.
Jerry