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The Democrats’ real strategy in launching recounts

Big ChiefBig Chief Senior MemberPosts: 32,995 Senior Member
Here is one take on why they are doing the challenge, but hopefully it will be resoved before the deadline.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_democrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts.html

"The Democrats’ real strategy in launching recounts
By Richard Baehr

The recount in Wisconsin, and the coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change the outcomes in any of the states. No recount ever changes thousands of votes. I do not think that is the purpose.

The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing the official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.

Then this goes to Congress, where the House voting 1 vote per state elects Trump, and Senate selects Pence. This would be first time Pthis happened since 1824, but in that case, John Quincy Adams won in the House, though he had fewer electoral college votes than Andrew Jackson.

If this goes to the US House and Senate, and the result is the same as result from the Electoral College without the recounts, why do it? The answer is to make Trump seem even more illegitimate, that he did not win the popular vote (he lost by over 2.1 million), he did not win the Electoral College (did not reach 270), and was elected by being inserted into the presidency by members of his own party in Congress."
It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,208 Senior Member
    Trump himself said the election was rigged. Had things been reversed between him and Clinton, we would never hear the end of it from him and his groupies.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    They know it won't likely change the election and their lawyers have admitted it, just being a PITA and trying to make some political hay.

    It may even work against them in the final tally.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,208 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    They know it won't likely change the election and their lawyers have admitted it, just being a PITA and trying to make some political hay.
    Certainly. But had the shoe been on the other foot, I think the voices would be even louder.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,208 Senior Member
    Based on Trump's pre-election narrative the only thing the recount could possibly turn up is proof that he won despite wide spread fraud by Democrats right?
    Pre-election? He was on Twitter yesterday saying the exact same thing.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    One thing this all proves is there's spoiled sports on both sides of the aisle. And the one demanding the recount only got 1% of the vote. WOW! Makes sense to me, NOT!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,715 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Pre-election? He was on Twitter yesterday saying the exact same thing.
    Yep. Even he agrees there were "millions" of illegitimate votes. So... they have to have a recount. Both candidates agree that this may have been a fraudulent election.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/802972944532209664

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803033642545115140
    Overkill is underrated.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,715 Senior Member
    ...and the winning candidate ain't doing much to help out, in this case.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,773 Senior Member
    ...and the winning candidate ain't doing much to help out, in this case.
    OK, I give up, just what is he supposed to do, besides decide on who he will fire and replace? He only the elect until January.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    OK, I give up, just what is he supposed to do, besides decide on who he will fire and replace? He only the elect until January.

    Beats me. Election is over and time to "Go Forward/Move On" for the benefit of our country, as the Dems like to spout all the time.

    Oh wait, they only say that when they are trying to divert attention away from themselves. Or when they got what they wanted.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    :blah: But it was her turn to win, Obama promised.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,715 Senior Member
    I'll quote and address both you and Wambli as my comment relates to the topic of this thread:
    Diver43 wrote: »
    OK, I give up, just what is he supposed to do, besides decide on who he will fire and replace? He only the elect until January.
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I have discussed this ad nauseam in this forum and apparently it is still a big mystery to many...

    1- A candidate running under a unifying theme can not win in this country anymore!
    2- Trump did what he needed to do to get to the White House, best marketing campaign and business plan execution I have ever seen. Absolutely brilliant.
    3- If he changes his tune now he will be labeled a traitor by all sides and the media, it's happening even when he tries small inconsequential compromises right now. Remember the McDonalds example I posed moths ago?

    Changes have to be done SLOWLY and he will piss off MANY people in the process. Intelligent people will focus on the general outcome and not what the media and parties spoon-feeds them to create further discord. Unfortunately NOT too many intelligent people in this country anymore and we dumb down by the minute...

    I do believe he has the only agenda that will take care of the needs of most Americans and bring the focus back to what matters which is the economy, jobs, financial stability and core values. I also believe he will at lest try to bring back some common sense to the masses and kill off this crippling PC nonsense that is killing us... BUT some compromises have to be made because we have a country base on the will of ALL of the PEOPLE not the INDIVIDUAL.

    Hopefully the compromises will be mostly in our favor.... but if the other side had won all would be lost.

    "in this case." Relating to the Democrats calls for a recount. Trump has been adding some fuel to the flames by claiming there's been illegitimate votes being cast. He doesn't have to do that. I don't mind the "I could have won the popular vote if I wanted to." I actually expected that. His tweets on getting the electoral vote and some other comments have pointed to a subtle "I've been more concerned about the whole country than a few, select areas." I think that's been a good thing. But if you have both candidates fanning the flames of "the election results are wrong," what does that do to voter confidence and unity over the election?

    In this case, I think Trump could have:
    A. Pointed out the Democrats hypocrisy re: the 2000 election Bush v. Gore.
    B. Pointed out the Democrats hypocrisy re: Hilary's comments about needing to accept the electoral results prior to Nov. 8.
    C. Said that as POTUS he'll do what he can to examine alleged voting irregularities.
    D. Kept mum on the entire situation.

    And there's other options. But saying "I think the electoral results are suspicious" just plays along with the Democrats and doesn't help in this situation, IMHO.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I do not NOW get it. I got this a long time ago. See answer to bream's statement. And MY team being in power is the only way it can get accomplished. YOUR TEAM is the main culprit since their only goal is the pursuit of becoming Government Royalty at any cost, laws be damned. Open borders, globalism, no voter ID laws and crippling PC divisiveness are all in the battle cry of the modern liberal.

    :win::win::win: Exactly.

    Luis
    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    To quote the current fraud-in-chief, "Elections have consequences"- - - - -suck it up, snowflakes- - - -you lost!
    Jerry
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,208 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    OK, I give up, just what is he supposed to do, besides decide on who he will fire and replace?
    Keeping his mouth shut is a very good option.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,208 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    To quote the current fraud-in-chief, "Elections have consequences"- - - - -suck it up, snowflakes- - - -you lost!
    Jerry
    That pissed me off then, and it will piss me off now. We deserve better than that.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,773 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Keeping his mouth shut is a very good option.

    Guess we have missed real news lately. Currently in Puerto Rico and from the discussions here the island is very left leaning. Now much news about the recount here
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    Most of my information concerning the recounts has unfortunately been from mainstream news and written articles. I have been able to obtain useful information from several viewer/reader comments that match the posts here. This is what I have learned post election.

    The DNC's counteroffensive plan A was using organized crime tactics of coercion, threats, and as last resort bribes to convince enough of the electoral college to change their votes on December 19th. Apparently this was not working So they initiated plan B.

    Fall back on the fact that any candidate on the ballot has the right to request recounts if they pay the expenses. If Hillary and DNC made recount requests following her conceding the election they would look very bad even though her conceding is in no way legally binding. I don't know if they approached Gary Johnson first and he told them to pound sand but they ended up with Crazy Jill Stein. I'm not entirely sure if they are bribing her with any of the questionable origin donation money. I suspect the lunatic would pay for more media exposure. Big Chief thoroughly and accurately explained the details and most likely results of this desperate "hail Mary" plan so I won't repeat them. When Crazy Jill Filed her request which she called her demand in WI at the deadline November 23rd she and some attorney assured us the sole purpose of the recounts was to investigate and determine if any fraud, tampering, or hacking occurred and is not in any way an attempt to change the election results. LOL! I have not seen anything reporting if WI has agreed to a recount. I seriously doubt if MI which has already completed a mandatory recount will be interested in completing another one. PA does not seem to be much interested either. If the sole purpose of recounts is exposure of possible corruption of our election system why wouldn't they go for the low hanging fruit and just recount Illinois ?
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    WIS denied their request for a Hand Count and left it up to each county how they would conduct it. According to Campaign Carl Cameron on Fox. Also MICH called for Trump a few minutes ago.

    Pissing in the wind by Crazy Jill and those who want a recount.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    Every idiotic, cynical, hypocritical game the Democrats play solidifies and expands support for The Donald, and will cost them votes in 2018. If,by then, Trump's presidency appears successful, it's not inconceivable that what remaining representation the Democrats have left in the Federal and state governments might be completely swept away.

    I say let the Democrats make this bed, and then let them lay in it. Stein and Johnson have done irreparable damage to the Green and Libertarian Parties - both might not ever recover from their mutual debacle of receiving statistically insignificant vote totals. Their only possible role is to be a spoiler for one major party or the other, with no hope of ever achieving a position of influence over policies and platforms. I would be happy to see the Democratic Party follow in their footsteps.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Big Chief wrote: »
    WIS denied their request for a Hand Count and left it up to each county how they would conduct it. According to Campaign Carl Cameron on Fox. Also MICH called for Trump a few minutes ago.

    Pissing in the wind by Crazy Jill and those who want a recount.

    The Hill and Hill(ary) show want hand counts to hopefully screw up the Electoral College vote. Just like Dems/Libs demanding a Hand Count.

    I'm beginning to hope that all the Libs/Dems spontaneously combust. Think of all the housing that would open up if that happened. And they would no longer have to worry about their carbon footprint, either! :roll2:
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  • pjames777pjames777 Senior Member Posts: 1,421 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    The main strategy of all government is to incite divisiveness. Without it people will never have critical mass to regain control. It's working great in this country...

    Those in power, not so much government. Our elected officials have perverted our laws and as in this election's results, still doesn't get how ready half the Nation is to throw them all out the door. Can't help but believe that we are on the edge of a new Revolution with the heartland of America becoming a new Nation. First 100 days will tell... Alphie should be able to come up with the name of the Black preacher that said its dangerous to wake up the White man to a cause. BLM make it sound as if we were living in 1947.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    We are a "Divided" nation because of all the race baiting and anything and everything goes Diversity/PC/Progressive Utopian and BLM crap pushed by Dipstick Obammy and the rest. They bought it on themselves and the rest of us, set us back decades with their irresponsible quest to shame and force us into the fantasy world they want to create.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Update on WI recount...........http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/07/recounts-barely-making-dent-in-election-results-trump-gains-in-wisconsin.html

    "With the Wisconsin Election Commission working since last Thursday – when Stein paid $3.5 million for the recount after alleging reports of fraud – there has been little change so far to the unofficial results reported on Election Day. Trump won the state by 22,000 votes over Clinton.

    In a twist, Trump is gaining.

    By Wednesday morning, Trump had widened his victory margin over Clinton in Wisconsin by 146 votes, with 23 of the state's 72 counties having finished their recounts as of Tuesday. In those counties, Trump gained 105 votes and Clinton dropped 41 votes."
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    I'll quote and address both you and Wambli as my comment relates to the topic of this thread:





    "in this case." Relating to the Democrats calls for a recount. Trump has been adding some fuel to the flames by claiming there's been illegitimate votes being cast. He doesn't have to do that. I don't mind the "I could have won the popular vote if I wanted to." I actually expected that. His tweets on getting the electoral vote and some other comments have pointed to a subtle "I've been more concerned about the whole country than a few, select areas." I think that's been a good thing. But if you have both candidates fanning the flames of "the election results are wrong," what does that do to voter confidence and unity over the election?

    In this case, I think Trump could have:
    A. Pointed out the Democrats hypocrisy re: the 2000 election Bush v. Gore.
    B. Pointed out the Democrats hypocrisy re: Hilary's comments about needing to accept the electoral results prior to Nov. 8.
    C. Said that as POTUS he'll do what he can to examine alleged voting irregularities.

    D. Kept mum on the entire situation. And there's other options. But saying "I think the electoral results are suspicious" just plays along with the Democrats and doesn't help in this situation, IMHO.
    Good post.
    A. Pointed out the Democrats hypocrisy re: the 2000 election Bush v. Gore.
    Voting machine malfunction that was not a factor in the election.

    C. Said that as POTUS he'll do what he can to examine alleged voting irregularities.
    Excellent idea. I had the same. Recounts only confirm the accuracy of the vote count.

    D. Kept mum on the entire situation.
    Good luck with that.
  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    He could say "they cheated but I still won".
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    The impressive thing is that he beat well-organized political machines on both sides of the fence- - - -first in the primaries where the GOP political professionals threw everything but the truth at him in a failed attempt to deny him the nomination, and followed that up by stomping all over the dummycrap efforts to win with tactics they have perfected over decades of dirty tricks and downright criminal manipulation of previous elections. There's no doubt about a few things- - - - -the sun rises in the east, the sky is blue, and dummycraps rig elections. To be able to take everything they throw at a candidate and still work the system well enough to come out on top is an accomplishment worthy of praise.
    Jerry
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