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centermass556
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Remember when I said we don't know...
centermass556
Posts: 3,618 Senior Member
We know where Assad has his weapons. But we don't know what he got rid of, or had stolen and claimed he got rid of it...
And so we have this...
http://www.newsweek.com/isis-militants-chemical-weapons-attack-soldiers-iraq-585174
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And so we have this...
http://www.newsweek.com/isis-militants-chemical-weapons-attack-soldiers-iraq-585174
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"To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
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Here is the Washington times
http://m.washingtontimes.com
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Yeah...because no one died from being gassed with chlorine in WWI....
― Douglas Adams
I'm not going to question your professional expertise in this. However, what you miss outside of lethality is the effects that chemical warfare carries. Everything above CS has catastrophic bleed over effects. It is not just the medical damage the Agent inflicts, it is everything that happens along with it.
As soon as Chemical weapons come into play, you bring an unknown into the battlefield that will effect the morale of the Soldiers. Maybe not all of them, but it will shake a good portion of them. It is just natural. I remember the look on faces when we had to mask up in 2003 with the Al samood attacks. Chemical wounds are scary. I can't apply an Israeli bandage or tourniquet to chemical effects and tell my buddy he is going to be okay. No, I have to watch him struggle for air as I freak out and put my mask on before it gets to me. That brings the next part.
When someone is wounded from an agent, everything stops. Violence of action goes out the window. Everyone dons their protective gear. And, then the wounded+two rule applies. There is no sweeping the objective and coming back to the wounded. Additionally, you lose guns while someone breaks out the test kit to see what they were struck with...even if it is chlorine.
Then comes the operation with NBC gear on. Because even if it is only Chlorine, you are still going to suit up with your mask and JLIST. No matter what we would like to think, we have a degraded fighting capability when trying to operate in NBC gear. One reason is because we haven't trained for it since 2003, and the other is because the crap sucks. You wear a suit for 8-12 hours, that doesn't breath, gets heavy, and is bulky. Try to do anything remotely physical while wearing a M40 series protective mask. After 1 hr, let me know it works out for you. You'll damn near drown in your sweat trapped inside the mask. not to mention you are scared as hell about breaking the seal on your mask, so you are not moving like you should. And, you can' shoot for crap.
All Weapons have implications outside of lethality. Sometimes it is just the idea of he weapon. Snipers are morale killer. My last tour in Iraq, the morale killer was the EFP. I am not going to lie, it scared the hell out of me. It was an unseeable threat that I couldn't do anything to stop. That thing was cutting through vehicle armor like it was hot knife through butter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_formed_penetrator
I'm sure that this is based on "direct professional experience" that you gleaned from the internet rather than your own. Some states consider pepper spray less harmful than tear gas (Wisconsin for one) and allow pepper spray but not tear gas sprays. I've experienced pepper spray and cs in the military and I've been hit by paintballs and BB guns so I have a little experience with both. If you show up to the next SE shoot, I'll let you shoot me in the face with a paintball gun (wearing eye protection, just safety glasses, not full goggles) if I can blast you in the face with bear spray with the same eye protection. This might make you reevaluate your concept of how harmless or insignificant some agents are compared to others. When you're sitting up in the tower that you place yourself in, you'll never be exposed to any of it but you'll still argue and the effects based on experience that you don't possess.
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Jerry