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Pistol Caliber Carbine Summary - Marlin Camp 9, FX-9, and ATI Milsport
conquest87tsi
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I couldn't find much on forums about PCCs back when I was researching so I thought I would share a little that I have experienced with them.
Over the past few years I have grow quite fond of 9mm carbines. I started with a Marlin Camp 9mm. I ended up adding a rail and peep sight. Also had to replace recoil spring and buffer. Very nice shooting rifle out to 100m. Only problem is that they are a little difficult to disassemble for a thorough cleaning.
I then purchased a ATI Milsport 9mm carbine from Sportsmans Guide for roughly $750 in Oct of 2016 while I was oversees, with the carbine sitting at the FFL until I returned home in June. Well, come March I notice that classicfireams.com has the Freedom Arms FX-9 listed for $599. At that price I figured it was worth a try. So I ended up having both the FX-9 and ATI sitting at the FFL.
I got out last week to shoot both the ATI and FX-9 for the first time and shoot the Marlin for comparison. I shot Glock, SGM, ETS, PMAG, and Korean magazines with and without Wolff springs with the ATI and FX-9. I shot 100 ea of 115 gr Winchester white box and 115 gr Remington UMC through each carbine. I started off with the FX-9. I initially appreciated the added features of the Freedoms m arms carbine like the bolt hold open and heavy barrel. The FX-9 and ATI both ate all 200 rds without one FTF. Shoots soft. Both carbine sighted in easily at 50 yards with fixed picitinni rail iron sights. All magazines tested shot fine as well. I had no failures to feed or fire and all ammunition had been purchased within a week of firing. The ATI seemed to eject brass in more consistently locations as far as brass collecting. Both are straight blow back design and both showed a considerate amount of I burnt powder in the chamber and bore. I would bet that a load could be made for the carbines that burns for effectively in a carbine. I got a 115 gr up 1525 f/s on Long Shot in the Marlin.
Both the Freedom Arms FX-9 and ATI shot equally well with 3" groups at 50yds. Both carbines were fairly straight forward to disassemble for cleaning. I had an easier time removing the extractor and cleaning bolt components on the ATI compared to the FX-9 mostly due to the proximity and quantity of pins holding the components in the bolt. Both carbines have certain features that distinguish it from the other, but not necessarily better. I still haven't figured out which one I prefer. The FX-9 does have a smoother, handier hand gaurd and a heavier barrel, but the ATI is well balanced and is a well thought out and robust design. I do prefer both new carbines to the Marlin mostly due to the ease of cleaning and changing optics. I have put another 100 rounds through the FX-9 with no hickups with a glock and PMAGS magazines.
Over the past few years I have grow quite fond of 9mm carbines. I started with a Marlin Camp 9mm. I ended up adding a rail and peep sight. Also had to replace recoil spring and buffer. Very nice shooting rifle out to 100m. Only problem is that they are a little difficult to disassemble for a thorough cleaning.
I then purchased a ATI Milsport 9mm carbine from Sportsmans Guide for roughly $750 in Oct of 2016 while I was oversees, with the carbine sitting at the FFL until I returned home in June. Well, come March I notice that classicfireams.com has the Freedom Arms FX-9 listed for $599. At that price I figured it was worth a try. So I ended up having both the FX-9 and ATI sitting at the FFL.
I got out last week to shoot both the ATI and FX-9 for the first time and shoot the Marlin for comparison. I shot Glock, SGM, ETS, PMAG, and Korean magazines with and without Wolff springs with the ATI and FX-9. I shot 100 ea of 115 gr Winchester white box and 115 gr Remington UMC through each carbine. I started off with the FX-9. I initially appreciated the added features of the Freedoms m arms carbine like the bolt hold open and heavy barrel. The FX-9 and ATI both ate all 200 rds without one FTF. Shoots soft. Both carbine sighted in easily at 50 yards with fixed picitinni rail iron sights. All magazines tested shot fine as well. I had no failures to feed or fire and all ammunition had been purchased within a week of firing. The ATI seemed to eject brass in more consistently locations as far as brass collecting. Both are straight blow back design and both showed a considerate amount of I burnt powder in the chamber and bore. I would bet that a load could be made for the carbines that burns for effectively in a carbine. I got a 115 gr up 1525 f/s on Long Shot in the Marlin.
Both the Freedom Arms FX-9 and ATI shot equally well with 3" groups at 50yds. Both carbines were fairly straight forward to disassemble for cleaning. I had an easier time removing the extractor and cleaning bolt components on the ATI compared to the FX-9 mostly due to the proximity and quantity of pins holding the components in the bolt. Both carbines have certain features that distinguish it from the other, but not necessarily better. I still haven't figured out which one I prefer. The FX-9 does have a smoother, handier hand gaurd and a heavier barrel, but the ATI is well balanced and is a well thought out and robust design. I do prefer both new carbines to the Marlin mostly due to the ease of cleaning and changing optics. I have put another 100 rounds through the FX-9 with no hickups with a glock and PMAGS magazines.
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Welcome hey, Grain Belt Premium is an excellent "light" beer. I got pistol carbine on the brain and Palmetto has my attention, gotta finish some stuff first though.
-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
That's exactly the point. The rifle duzzint use the same bullets. The rifle, chambered in a rifle caliber, provides a levels of accuracy, range, penetration, and terminal energy far beyond that available from your pistol, and sometimes, that's just what the doctor ordered - stronger medicine. As for carrying a rifle chambered in a pistol caliber other than your sidearm - you're right - that needs a re-think.
I suggested a KelTec Sub2000 for its fold-up compact portability, light weight, and magazine compatibility with many popular handguns. Yes, the longer rifle barrel will enhance the pistol caliber's performance somewhat. But AR platforms in pistol calibers are the wrong way to go - they weigh as much as AR15s in .223 or .300 Blackout and I'd rather have 30 rounds of that than 30 more rounds of any handgun caliber.
Magnum revolver calibers in rifles seem to enjoy a much more enhanced performance than pistol calibers in autoloaders. A Marlin or Henry lever gun will accurately propel a .357 Magnum 125 grain bullet at ~2000 FPS - very formidable.
Beer? Gross, who drinks that nasty swill?
Picked up a real nice marlin camp 9 a while back and have to say, it's a hoot to shoot.
This is another one that came from my dad's collection:
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Ruger 99-44 carbine. Kind of the big dawg in pistol caliber carbines. I had it's predecessor years ago and foolishly traded it off. Can't wait to wring this one out.
Sako
All guns are not necessarily intended to be used against flesh. You can shoot a 9mm carbine for 1/3 the cost with less fatigue in many more places than you can a .223. As bad as many cops shoot, it may not be a bad thing they have a less powerful round. Less collateral damage. Plus they are just plain fun.
-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
Anyway, welcome to the funny farm. Based on the posts I've seen from you so far, I think you'll fit in just fine.
Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
Personally, I am considering a CZ Scorpion or an AR pistol in .45 ACP as my next one
-Mikhail Kalashnikov
Luis