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What? Nobody is talking about Reality Winner?

JayhawkerJayhawker ModeratorPosts: 16,756 Senior Member
NSA contractor/Trump hater caught leaking classified material to the media....it will be interesting to see how long she goes to prison. In the end I think Reality will discover that she's not a Winner....
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    She certainly didn't take her security clearance seriously. She should never have had one to begin with and I hope that they make an example out of her.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,634 Senior Member
    She is ex military, too.
    Shut up-----KAREN; OK Cynthia
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,634 Senior Member
    When you have over 5 million people with security clearances you have too many secrets. Also when you are sharing your secrets with 5 million people they kinda stop being secrets...
    Only with unpatriotic people
    Shut up-----KAREN; OK Cynthia
  • Jack BurtonJack Burton Member Posts: 379 Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    NSA contractor/Trump hater caught leaking classified material to the media....it will be interesting to see how long she goes to prison. In the end I think Reality will discover that she's not a Winner....

    Before or after we pay for her sex change operation?
    Came for the fishing, stayed for the guns.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    When you have over 5 million people with security clearances you have too many secrets. Also when you are sharing your secrets with 5 million people they kinda stop being secrets...

    As you know, there are different levels of security clearances and she had a very high one. Also, the smarter that you try to act, the more ignorance you display. Those "5 million people with security clearances" aren't all paper pushers playing cloak and dagger stuff with double naught spies and secret microfilm hidden in their shoes. Most every aircraft mechanic and system specialist in the Air Force has a secret clearance and I would suspect that most of the people that handle modern equipment in other branchs of the military have clearances also. I would venture to say that the greater majority of your "5 million People with clearances" handle classified equipment instead of secrets and all of that modern classified equipment need to stay that way weather you approve or not.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 6,762 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    Only with unpatriotic people

    Yep.

    I had clearances well beyond TS. 40 years ago. I've never leaked a secret. Even those that no longer seem to matter.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,125 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    As you know, there are different levels of security clearances and she had a very high one. Also, the smarter that you try to act, the more ignorance you display. Those "5 million people with security clearances" aren't all paper pushers playing cloak and dagger stuff with double naught spies and secret microfilm hidden in their shoes. Most every aircraft mechanic and system specialist in the Air Force has a secret clearance and I would suspect that most of the people that handle modern equipment in other branchs of the military have clearances also. I would venture to say that the greater majority of your "5 million People with clearances" handle classified equipment instead of secrets and all of that modern classified equipment need to stay that way weather you approve or not.

    Every radio operator has a Top Secret for cryptography.
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,004 Senior Member
    Who in the hell names a kid Reality?
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,127 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Who in the hell names a kid Reality?
    A Winner.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,288 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio wrote: »
    Every radio operator has a Top Secret for cryptography.

    Same for the submarine sonar school I was in before my eardrum got blown out which caused me and a few others to be washed from the program. Only one good ear was a No-Go for sonarmen. It was both paper and what I saw as to the sonar equipment.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • 6EQUJ5 - WOW!6EQUJ5 - WOW! Banned Posts: 482 Member
    Linefinder wrote: »
    Yep.

    I had clearances well beyond TS. 40 years ago. I've never leaked a secret. Even those that no longer seem to matter.

    Mike

    So, exactly how many alien spaceships are being stored at Area-51? :jester:
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,634 Senior Member
    So, exactly how many alien spaceships are being stored at Area-51? :jester:
    I'd tell Ya; but, some people in a couple of black suburbans would come and get Ya!
    Shut up-----KAREN; OK Cynthia
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,756 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Who in the hell names a kid Reality?

    I bet she has a sister named Fantasy.....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 20,850 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    I bet she wanted a sister named Fantasy.....
    FIFY :rotflmao:
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 6,762 Senior Member
    So, exactly how many alien spaceships are being stored at Area-51? :jester:

    I wasn't cleared that high....

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 20,850 Senior Member
    So, exactly how many alien spaceships are being stored at Area-51? :jester:
    42

    (geek movie reference)
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Work her over with a belt sander and make her swim laps in a pool of alcohol!
    Jerry
  • 6EQUJ5 - WOW!6EQUJ5 - WOW! Banned Posts: 482 Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    FIFY :rotflmao:

    Ha!
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,788 Senior Member
    Is she in jail, awaiting trial?

    She should be, so she will be contemplating what ten years would feel like, before her sentencing. My understanding is that she has admitted everything during FBI questioning, so does that mean she's pleading guilty? These are important questions, since she can likely point an investigation in the right direction if she cooperates.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,004 Senior Member
    There were a lot of us that warned that the electronic voting stuff was dangerous. That it would be very easy to hack and fake elections. But here we are.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    With paper ballots, election officials have to actually get off their dead butts and do some real work. Isn't that cruel and unusual punishment for a bureaucrat? Maybe if we moved their offices closer to the graveyard? Or does that only apply to dummycraps?
    :uhm:
    Jerry
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,788 Senior Member
    Since no one has pointed out what she leaked, she leaked information that Russian hackers successfully gained entrance to the internal Network of a company that manufactures voting machines (although no proof of exactly what they got), and targeted at least 100 local election officials days before the election. There is no evidence that any of this had any direct impact on the vote, but it is troubling and indicates that we need to do a better job of securing our elections and making them auditable against a paper record and secure from intrusion.

    Making the information public pretty much derailed whatever investigation was going on, and sent the perpetrators scurrying away, free to try again, later. If we agree that security breaches have to be brought under control, and that investigators should be apolitical, we have to punish the violators to whatever extent is necessary to curtail it within the various agencies. This includes Snowden and anyone else who steals classified info and makes it public.

    Being a whistle blower may be patriotic, or it may be treason, or it may be both. It is definitely a tough route to take, because it usually involves committing illegal acts. Revealing certain secrets, when you have sworn not to, is technically a treasonous act, or at the very least, espionage. If the whistle blower can prove that his/her motive was to reveal corruption, it may mitigate against a severe punishment, or possibly any punishment. But if the whistle blower fails to prove his/her case, or if powerful entities prevent that case from being presented, he/she is simply guilty of the charge, if it is proven that they violated the law. It has to be that way, or we have no secrets.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,756 Senior Member
    When you have over 5 million people with security clearances you have too many secrets. Also when you are sharing your secrets with 5 million people they kinda stop being secrets...

    Are you serious? The issue here is a traitor who put her personal political agenda before her sworn obligation to safeguard classified material. However, she was certainly not above taking a paycheck from the government she has issue with...the honorable thing to do would have been to quit.
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,288 Senior Member
    Maybe she'll get to go to that wonderful prison in Colorado. The Supermax. Put her in the basement with the rats and mice.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • Dr. dbDr. db Senior Member Posts: 1,541 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    As you know, there are different levels of security clearances and she had a very high one. Also, the smarter that you try to act, the more ignorance you display. Those "5 million people with security clearances" aren't all paper pushers playing cloak and dagger stuff with double naught spies and secret microfilm hidden in their shoes. Most every aircraft mechanic and system specialist in the Air Force has a secret clearance and I would suspect that most of the people that handle modern equipment in other branchs of the military have clearances also. I would venture to say that the greater majority of your "5 million People with clearances" handle classified equipment instead of secrets and all of that modern classified equipment need to stay that way weather you approve or not.


    People who work for Verizon and handle secure telephone traffic have to maintain their security clearance. Clearance does not equal access. At the same time Ben Franklin said something like, "Two people can keep a secret as long as one of them is dead."
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 20,850 Senior Member
    I know my oldest step-son got "cleared" when he was in the guard doing coms for the 20thSF. He;s gotten some lucrative work since he separated JUST because he had it, and other applicants did not, and the job required it.

    I SERIOUSLY doubt he has access to anything interesting, but he's one of those 5 million anyway.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    When you have over 5 million people with security clearances you have too many secrets. Also when you are sharing your secrets with 5 million people they kinda stop being secrets...

    Sometimes I am truly amazed....

    I have functioned as a Classification Action Officer (CAO) (classifies information with the appropriate level) and Foreign Disclosure Officer (FDO) ( Decides if info can be released or seen by foreign citizens).

    So, for the misinformed, uninformed, and those that have not self discovered (from experience) there are several levels of classification, with Top Secret being the highest level. At the Top Secret level, information is compartmentalized into different SCI caveats. Some of these caveats require additional background investigation and/or different types of polygraphs. Being read onto one these caveats is referred to either as being "read on" or "Indoctrinated".
    To access Classified information at any level you have to the appropriate clearance level and a need to know. For instance, I could have the SCI caveat that allows me to have access in the White House, however that does not mean I can go sit in on a Joint Targeting Working Group at the JSOC compound. I have the clearance level, but I do not have the need to know....or the additional caveat that allows me to be part of that JTWG. Very few, and I mean very few, people have complete access to everything.
    This leak occurred here at Ft Gordon and appears to be a complete break down of security protocols. I say "appears to be", because I do not know for sure. I have not heard anything about the investigation. But, when someone is allowed to access information they may not be cleared for, print it, stuff it in their bra, and leave...well then there may be issues.

    Not all RTOs, Commo guys, or folks that handle COMSEC have TS. They may have one point, but they no longer do. You would be surprised to learn the amount of 18Es that only have secret access.

    The levels of classification are -

    Unclass - Not really a classiifcation, but it is everything that is open source and not classified as FOUO or above.

    FOUO - For Official Use Only is information that is not public knowledge, but is not secret enough to secure. People without a clearance have access to FOUO information. Some of this info could be Gate guard schedules, unit phone numbers, certain maps.

    Restricted - You don't see this often, but it is information that would cause "undesirable effects" if released to the public. Information in this category could be what ever the commander convinces the CAO to mark it as. Findings from a high level Court Martial could fall into this.

    Confidential - Another one you don't see often. But this could simply cause "damage" to National Security.

    Secret - This information would cause "serious damage" to National Security or Interests if released. Secret information is marked with who it is releasable to (some Secret information we share with certain Allies, and even in NATO it is not even). It is also marked with a code that tells when it is available for declassification. Secret Information is a on special network called SIPRNET.

    Top Secret - Is the highest level and could cause "exceptionally grave damage" to National Security or Interests if released. As I said, at this level information is compartmentalized for protection. Top Secret Information is on a special network called JWICS.

    Collecting and aggregating information of a certain classification level can raise the security level of the information as combined. Many people have a secret clearance so they can handle certain COMSEC titles or have access in secure areas, but they do not have access to any "secrets". Many Airframe maintainers have a secret clearance because of the Aircraft blueprint classification. Some Drone maintainers have TS because of similar instances. But, it does not mean these people can go on JWICS or SIPRNET and start pulling State Department information.

    I hope this clears up anything out there that may be floating, or you are unsure of what you have heard about clearances.
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,288 Senior Member
    What centermass said as to different classifications. I had the Secret Clearance for sonar. Later in the 1990s I had to be cleared for Secret Clearance AGAIN, and be checked out AGAIN for U.S. citizenship, when the nuke plant was getting set up to make tritium with experimental 'stuff' that I STILL can't talk about as to specifics. I had to be cleared just to see what was going on, and handling the 'stuff' shipped in. And there weren't all that many people cleared for that task. We needed more, but some of the people couldn't pass the clearance criteria; THAT was an eyeopener, to me.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
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