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CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior MemberPosts: 5,486 Senior Member
In August, I'm building a new shop not far from my house. I go to the county assessor to pull the permit(s) and they immediately tell me I have to go to the County Road Commission.

The Road Com tells me I have to pull a $65 permit for my driveway. Uhm...what? This is the existing gravel driveway provided with the house that I purchased in 2008. The Road Commission wants to ensure it is up to "code". I asked what does that mean? The worthless bureaucrat behind the counter couldn't answer any questions other than say "it is required for all building permits after 2006." The only thing I can think of is the culvert at the driveway entrance. I can't imagine they have jurisdiction beyond the easement.


And it gets better...

Back at the county assessor... They pull up my plat on a computer so I can identify the future shop location. On the map, there's a small red circle not far from the entrance of my driveway. I get closer to the screen and it says "Designated Wetlands". The assessor informed me that I can't build anything within 40' of the area. This will not affect my shop construction but the area wasn't "wetlands" 9 years ago.

I'm researching my options for challenging the designation.
When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

Adam J. McCleod


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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,110 Senior Member
    There's no bureaucrat worse than a petty bureaucrat at the county building department.

    Last time I crossed swords with those nazi's in California, I had to complain to the state to get them to knock off the BS and issue the damn permit. They were as mad as wet hens and couldn't do anything about it. That's one of the few things I'll say good about the state: the HCD department doesn't tolerate crooked local building departments!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • roadkingroadking Senior Member Posts: 3,056 Senior Member
    Thus far, I have had great dealings with the local authorities...county defers to the township here.
    Homeowner's insurance insisted I take down the existing 12x20 garage...said it looked unstable. I hooked a chain to the bumper of my suburban and to the corner post of the garage and took a big tug. Township set word to insurance that garage was compliant.
    Wanted to put up a shop, but setbacks were making it impossible with the dimensions I planned...setbacks waived (variance issued) and was advised that if I tripped while setting the pins and it grew they had no problem.
    Wanted to rip off old porch, re-build with composite and do a kitchen addition with no plans...they knew me well enough that it would be done right, and permit issued same visit.
    Asked what was required to put up a target range at the house..."as long as it doesn't tick off the neighbors, just a safe back stop". Neighbor and some of the township folks ask to try it out.

    Love my little town.
    Support your local Scouts!
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,497 Senior Member
    In PA, unless there is a noise ordinance in place BEFORE you build the range, the only requirement is that the projectiles stay on your property. Zactly nothing anyone can do to a private shooting range.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    The local inspector in charge of electrical/water system permits got a dose of the "sewage flows downhill" principle when I got less than satisfactory service and kicked the problem up to the state level. He must have gotten a butt-chewing, as he was very cooperative the next time we met.
    Jerry
  • 6EQUJ5 - WOW!6EQUJ5 - WOW! Banned Posts: 482 Member
    Didn't Trump just deregulate certain wetlands recently? Might be worth looking into as the map, as with any other Geological Survey, is probably more than 5 years old or more.
  • kansashunterkansashunter Senior Member Posts: 1,871 Senior Member
    What is this permit thing?
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 13,047 Senior Member
    I am Henry Bowman, and so are you:jester:
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • bobskibobski Member Posts: 133 Member
    thank GOD im in an unincorporated county.
    would someone please contact the person who can purge and delete my acct? im reducing my cyber footprint for security reasons. thank.
  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    What is this permit thing?

    This.
    I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure.
    Dad 5-31-13
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,132 Senior Member
    Don't even get me started on building departments! I make good money with my expertise in dealing with them, but it doesn't make it any easier.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    Didn't Trump just deregulate certain wetlands recently? Might be worth looking into as the map, as with any other Geological Survey, is probably more than 5 years old or more.

    The area is not "wetlands" per the Army Corps of Engineers' definition. There is no vegetation commonly associated with wetlands; cattails, bulrushes, mosses, etc. The area is literally pine forest, grasses, and blackberry brambles. The area has standing water in the spring when the snow melts.


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    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    One of Dad's customers at his auto shop worked for a big construction company that did a lot of road building, public works projects, etc. His job was to take the state jobsite inspector to "lunch", get him good and drunk, and keep him out of sight all afternoon while the company cut corners on the materials they were supposed to be using. That was his ONLY job at that firm, since he could hold his whiskey very well! It seems the inspectors knew what was going on, but they liked the free booze!
    Jerry
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,110 Senior Member
    What is this permit thing?

    Its where you have to ask the government's permission to do things on/to your OWN PROPERTY.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • 6EQUJ5 - WOW!6EQUJ5 - WOW! Banned Posts: 482 Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    The area is not "wetlands" per the Army Corps of Engineers' definition. There is no vegetation commonly associated with wetlands; cattails, bulrushes, mosses, etc. The area is literally pine forest, grasses, and blackberry brambles. The area has standing water in the spring when the snow melts.


    wetlands_zps3qmn3bie.jpg

    Then you might have something to go on since the Army Corps of Engineers is federal. Seems to me that a federal entity cannot claim "wetlands" while another federal entity says it isn't. Hope you continue to be a thorn in their side and get your shop.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,497 Senior Member
    What is this permit thing?

    A set of checks on building to make sure that the septic line actually goes to a tank instead of the creek and the well isnt in the field drain, to make sure that the builder isnt creating roads or driveways on other peoples property, to make sure that run off is not going to accumulate as a pond in the neighbors basement, so that the electric panel doesnt have orange extension cord running out of it to feed the kitchen.

    Some are stupid, others make sense.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
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