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Ruger Scout 450 Bushmaster--revisit.

JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior MemberPosts: 6,563 Senior Member
I mentioned this rifle a few months back and I'm still leaning towards getting one--specifically because I can buy one at cost and I can get magazines from Accurate Mag at cost. Otherwise the rifle, I think, is priced outside of reason. Secondly, it's just a good looking rifle and it would be a fun companion to the 308 GSR I have now. The ammo possibilities are expanded compared to 450 Bushmaster AR15 rifles, like hard cast flat nose stuff. Mount a RDS to the rail and it would be a hell of a pig gun. Ruger makes an American version for damn near 1/3 the price, but this gun would be too epic to buy in Tupperware furniture. I'm so close to pulling the trigger on this one.

Has anyone seen one or handled one? No LGS in my area has had one yet.

“There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers

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  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    Be a real attention getter with them flat nose cast bullets on steel gongs.
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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,563 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    I'd buy the American at a third the price then add a new stock, and still be below the price of the
    Scout.
    The butt of the scout is just butt ugly.

    I should have expounded on that a little. It's obviously not an apples-to-apples comparison. I think there are some marked advantages to be Scout versus the American worth noting:

    1. Positive Mauser-style extractor
    2. Three position safety
    3. Durable iron sights
    4. M77 trigger
    5. Durable steel magazine
    6. Stock comb designed for iron sight use

    The American is equipped with none of that. We've been hog hunting in some very thick stuff lately, too. Hence my leaning to hard cast FN bullets. We've got the green light from another property owner to start eradicating pigs and his property is like a dang jungle during the summer months.

    Not saying the American isn't capable. A 1-4x scope mounted as low as possible would probably work good. Cost aside, the Scout gets my preference on style points alone.
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  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,083 Senior Member
    A Boyd's stock on the American would be a better looking stock but not package. To get the same magazine in the American is going to run you $300 for I forget which brand aftermarket bottom metal.

    So other than the gland end looking butt the 77 is a better buy. Plus you get a Scout scope mount.
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,790 Senior Member
    Just watched the iv8888 video on the American in 450 Bushmaster. Damn, that is an impressive little caliber.

    But it did have feeding issues from the crap mag.
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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    The reason I haven't bought a 458 SOCOM upper yet, is because I have 45-70.

    A .450 Bushmaster Scout gun has no appeal to me. If I wear going to do that it would be in 45-70.

    IMHO

    D
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  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,563 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    The reason I haven't bought a 458 SOCOM upper yet, is because I have 45-70.

    A .450 Bushmaster Scout gun has no appeal to me. If I wear going to do that it would be in 45-70.

    IMHO

    D


    Six of one, half-dozen of the other. For all practical purposes anyways. A 45-70 lever gun runs a bit faster, but there's no gains in ammo capacity and the Ruger Scout may edge out on accuracy. For intended purposes, it's personal preference between the two.


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  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,642 Senior Member
    In Michigan a .45-70 would be illegal to use in the "shotgun" zone, but a .450 BM would be legal. States changing the rules on what is allowed to be used in a shotgun zone for deer has been a big push to bring out more rifles in chamberings like .450 BM. Otherwise I have doubts these rifles would really even exist in some of the calibers they are offered in.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,212 Senior Member
    mitdr774 wrote: »
    In Michigan a .45-70 would be illegal to use in the "shotgun" zone, but a .450 BM would be legal. States changing the rules on what is allowed to be used in a shotgun zone for deer has been a big push to bring out more rifles in chamberings like .450 BM. Otherwise I have doubts these rifles would really even exist in some of the calibers they are offered in.
    Exactly. This is the big manufacturer solution to the the problems my .430 SJS and the .458 wildcat you are working on solves.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    BigDanS wrote: »
    The reason I haven't bought a 458 SOCOM upper yet, is because I have 45-70.

    A .450 Bushmaster Scout gun has no appeal to me. If I wear going to do that it would be in 45-70.

    IMHO

    D

    .45-70 was originally a black powder cartridge. As such it has a LOT of wasted powder space with smokeless loads. It could easily be shortened down and not lose anything in velocity. If a rifle could be built to take the pressure then using the full case capacity of the .45-70 would easily make 3,000 fps or better, and kill at both ends!

    The .458 SOCOM, 450 Bushmaster, .50 Beowulf, and Jerm's proprietary cartridges, and others, are the answer to the prohibition of some states to rifle cartridges but allow pistol cartridges for hunting. Since the cartridge case length seems to be that criteria along with straight wall cartridges, they fill the bill quite well.
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