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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,163 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Anybody else remember the CETME with the fluted chamber to reduce case to chamber contact? I believe it was a semi-auto only, and it still had case sticking and extraction issues due to the puny power of that cartridge. It was dimensionally the same as a 7.62 NATO round, but loaded to a much lower chamber pressure.

    Just did a little research- - - -the CETME was select-fire, but it used a lighter bullet than the NATO ammo for better control in full auto. That reduced the chamber pressure, and the chambers were fluted to reduce the tendency to tear cases in half due to the violent extraction the rifles had.
    Jerry

    Never had a reloadable piece of brass eject from my CETME...it always had a big dent in it and frequently was bent almost in half....still a lot of fun to shoot...
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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Anybody else remember the CETME with the fluted chamber to reduce case to chamber contact? I believe it was a semi-auto only...........

    The British L1A1 operated in semi-automatic mode only.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    The British L1A1 operated in semi-automatic mode only.

    Was the L1A1 not originally designed for an entirely different cartridge than the 7.62x51 NATO round? I know the UK had a different round in contention during the debate on the new NATO round and the U.K. round lost out. From what I remember, the U.K. entry was something like .270 and a bit lower powered and made specifically for the L1A1? The 7.62x51 was a higher powered round and made the L1A1, a thoroughbred race horse, have to perform like a plow horse. The rifle and cartridge were, in other words, mismatched.
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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    You may be thinking of the .280 British.

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    The 7 mm MK1Z in the end..
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,644 Senior Member
    I had a couple of CETMEs. Both fired the Nato round just fine. I HEARD the reduced power load was for the 95 Mausers converted to the CETME round.The 7.62 x 51 Nato round is not as strong as the .308 Win round.

    I can't find any statistics on the CETME round and would appreciate a link to it.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,163 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    I had a couple of CETMEs. Both fired the Nato round just fine. I HEARD the reduced power load was for the 95 Mausers converted to the CETME round.The 7.62 x 51 Nato round is not as strong as the .308 Win round.

    I can't find any statistics on the CETME round and would appreciate a link to it.

    Here you go...

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62×51mm_CETME
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,644 Senior Member
    Thanks, Jay. I also had an HK 91, wish I still did.

    When I was with the SO, we bought five CETMEs, full or semi. Wood stocks and a handguard, they would heat up a lot and smoke. We only paid about $200 each for them, which couldn't be transferred.

    The two CETMEs I had were reworked receivers...had to be to be legal.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    You may be thinking of the .280 British.

    PS.
    The 7 mm MK1Z in the end..

    Couldn't remember exactly. Just remembered the competition for a new cartridge. I just remember some shenanigans with the competition and the U.S. 'winning'. The U.K. cartridge was a really good one. IIRC, the requirements for the cartridge competition were changed to take the U.K. entry out due to velocity and muzzle energy.
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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Got it in one.

    It was, still is, a very good cartridge.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,163 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    Thanks, Jay. I also had an HK 91, wish I still did.

    When I was with the SO, we bought five CETMEs, full or semi. Wood stocks and a handguard, they would heat up a lot and smoke. We only paid about $200 each for them, which couldn't be transferred.

    The two CETMEs I had were reworked receivers...had to be to be legal.

    When I got my first CETME it had the original oil-soaked wood handguard....in an attempt to learn what I could about the thing we went to the range with a couple of battle packs of either Argentine or South African ammo...to make a long story short...we set the handguard on fire.... luckily I had a big bottle of Aqua Fina in the truck....
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,163 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    Got it in one.

    It was, still is, a very good cartridge.

    Looks a lot like the 6.8 SPC.....just sayin....:jester:
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Looks a lot like the 6.8 SPC.....just sayin....:jester:

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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 12,133 Senior Member
    here it is:

    Just as we said a couple pages ago- Legislation WILL be used to BAN all semi auto firearms. 'Rate Increasing device' is undefined- I have bumpfired an M1 Garand from the shoulder. That will make someone a felon if this bill passes.
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,916 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    here it is:

    Just as we said a couple pages ago- Legislation WILL be used to BAN all semi auto firearms. 'Rate Increasing device' is undefined- I have bumpfired an M1 Garand from the shoulder. That will make someone a felon if this bill passes.

    I just shared this on FB. I advise everyone that has a FB account to post and share it as well.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Shared it on FB, too. I don't know if it will do any good, though. Too many people are 'squishy' when it comes to their rights and calling, writing, emailing, and generally raising the devil with their elected representatives.

    I don't see anything good coming from this legislative mess they're cooking up in D.C. And with a few of those representatives, they're sharpening the long knives and getting to cut a bigger hunk out of our 'cake' of 2A rights.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Most likely the jams were caused by a case stuck in the chamber with the rim ripped off where the extractor tore the rim off. That would be my guess, since the talking heads never ask the pertinent questions, because they don't know the pertinent questions.

    Yeah that sounds most plausible. But the barrels weren't going to win Camp Perry either after that torture.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Yeah that sounds most plausible. But the barrels weren't going to win Camp Perry either after that torture.

    Replacement barrels for an AR aren't all that cost prohibitive to replace. A barrel, gas block, and gas tube are pretty cheap compared to a good bolt action rifle barrel. You can go crazy stupid with AR barrels, too, but the question would be, WHY? :uhm:
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  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Senior Member Posts: 2,035 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    If they get this, they will think they have momentum. They'll never stop pushing...until we push back.


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    Exactly ....this is the camel's nose under the tent. It's another foothold for the Fineswines and Pelosi's and the Schumers. They smell blood in the water.
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