Jerm,
You've bothered to learn how to cook your food. How many folks don't like healthy food because it "tastes bad" or has a bad texture? And how much of that is because person cooking the food doesn't know what the devil they're doing? I cooked some asparagus for some folks who said they didn't like it - they loved it! Later I had the asparagus they were used to: canned and cooked to a big pile of mush. OTOH, cheap starchy foods are easy to get, harder to "ruin" it seems, and even when overdone taste better, generally!
Don't get me started on food education in this country...
I remember my Mom thinking that creamed (canned) asparagus on toast was a delicacy.....a disgusting mess. Never liked it. Moved to MI and discovered that lightly steamed with a bit of butter and salt, the stuff is delicious...
Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
Aren’t starchy
foods fattening?
No. It’s what you add to
these foods or cook with
them that adds most of the
calories. For example:
margarine or butter on
bread, cream or cheese
sauces on pasta, and the
sugar and fat used with the
flour in making cookies.
That is so wrong, it's not even funny
To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
-Mikhail Kalashnikov
I like canned ass pa rag us, but it's crap compared to fresh, lightly cooked.
I will admit to buying a can or two every few years. It is ok but I don't even consider it in any way shape or form the equivalent of fresh asparagus-- and especially fresh Michigan asparagus in season. My canned weakness is peas. Frozen peas are excellent and fresh ones are sublime, but I keep a few cans stashed in the pantry for a quick snack-- I eat them straight from the can.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
...and that's another problem. People wind up drinking their calories. Some don't know it. Co-worker was in a gym an overheard a personal trainer talking with a rather large woman. When he asked her what she drank every day and how much, she said something to the effect of it doesn't matter, there's no calories in what you drink.
I think she drank 3 or 4 sodas per day. Maybe more. She was astounded there were calories in sodas. And in sweet tea. But she was trying to learn.
I just looked up the calories and sugar in a large McDonald's Sweet Tea - it's something a lot of folks around here like to drink. Holy cow. 160 calories and 38 g of sugar.... It's in 32 oz., but I know folks who drink one or two of those per day. (edited to correct McDonald's new numbers. It was 280 calories and 69 g.)
I never claimed to be normal. Lunch today is sardines with hot sauce and pickled jalapenos, fresh spicy (with some of BML's evil peppers) homemade sauerkraut, and cold leftover brussels sprouts from last night.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
Most people in America don't have the slightest concept of what "poor" is.....I have made ambulance calls to houses with dirt floors that had a satellite dish, a large screen TV and a new F150 in the drive way...the owner going near 400 pounds and the house knee-deep in McDonald's and Twinkie wrappers......America has the richest poor people in the world..,
Same impression....poor people here (And I'm talking stone age poor) would LOVE to live in the conditions you describe.
Yes, eating healthy in the US can get expensive; friend of mine living in NY while her husband was taking his master degree says that buying groceries for her usual dinner salad was as expensive as feeding a meal for her family of 3 at any fast food joint. Main problem is knowing what to eat and forcing yourself out of your comfort zone, specially if your income level makes eating virtually the only treat you can give to yourself and your family....and no treat rivals with sweets and greasy food!
Takes both nutritional knowledge (Today easily available on the web if you do your work) and LOTS of strength of will to change feeding habits for good. In my case both the latter and a tough scare (My problem was the amount of food rather than quality) forced me to drop 50 pounds in 7 weeks during April-May....a gallbladder stone blocked the flow of bile somewhere and caused me a dreadful jaundice that lasted close to 2 months, but after loosing so much body fat (Mostly abdominal) it went through and went back to normal conditions, although had to gave up for good red meat, pork & derivatives, any kind of animal fat, most vegetable fats, sweets, sodas, any food coming out of a box or plastic bag, fried foods, spices and alcohol.
I like fresh asparagus steamed, not boiled in the water. And baby carrots steamed to tender, not overdone, and allowed to dry on a paper towel are good finger food with some ranch dressing. And I like/love celery with peanut butter or melted cheese in the 'channel'. If celery wasn't meant to be stuffed with something then it wouldn't have that channel the length of it.
The pork loins are cheap at times in the grocery store, and I buy them on sale. Cooked in a slow cooker to falling apart tender they make a LOT of pulled pork for sandwiches.
I buy the fresh frozen vegetables that are hard to get at times here in the actual fresh form. Those, A couple of potatoes, and a bit of the tougher cuts of beef cut into small chunks make a great stew in the slow cooker. Chicken noodle soup is easy in a slow cooker, too. Add browned chicken chunks, chopped celery, peas, a little brown rice, and pasta, and a can of chicken stock and let it simmer.
I like baked fish better than the fried version. And if I buy catfish fillets, it's from a local seller. Channel cat fillets can be bought in 5# and 10# bags and the fish is caught from the Hiwassee River so it's pretty clean. I bake it on a raised mesh grill over a cookie sheet. There is a lot of different pond raised fish where I live now. People can make good money doing that, and the companies that buy it are anal about controlling the conditions of the farms they buy from.
Those mesh grills are made in different sizes, and I use one that fits in my small cake loaf pans to make meatloaf that isn't soggy on the bottom. Meatloaf sammiches are really good made from that not soggy meatloaf.
I buy a calf from my neighbor every year for slaughter. I pick one out at around 500# on the hoof, he takes the rest to the sale barn, and I pay him the high average for the calf, in CASH, when it's weighed at the slaughterhouse. No barn fee, feed fee, or other fees taken out of that one, and the local slaughterhouse cuts it to my specifications. We both win on that deal, and I KNOW the calf has been grass fed instead of loaded with corn forced fat.
“I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer” ― Douglas Adams
That's only true if you do all of your shopping at some boutique grocery store like "Whole Foods". I can run down to our local grocery store and get a huge pork loin for 15 bucks and have enough lean protein for three or four meals. And a full meal at McDonald's hasn't been $3-4 since the early eighties.
Oh hell no. I go to Whataburger and/or McDonalds about once aweek. I get a burger and fries with drink. I cannot get out of there alive for less than $10.
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
It's way cheaper to get fat in this country than eat healthy. You can get 1200 calories of fat and sugar from McDonald's for $3-4 but will cost you at least 2-3x that to get a meal with actual vegetables, lean protein, etc.
I challenge you to prove you know what you're talking about. Have you ever been to Asia, not Japan or Taiwan but to a poor Asian Country? Or Mexico? There is no comparison. People that far on their ass here get government subsistence. Those outside the country don't. We won't let people starve. True, they won't get Filet Mignon with Potato Souffle and Grilled Asparagus every night, but they won't starve. Most of these people won't eat right if they have enough money. They would rather buy beer and wine with their extra money than meat and veggies.
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Meijer (a large regional grocer) just built a store on the far north end of the city right on 8 Mile Rd, plus they have had a very nice market district that has been going on for decades. Heck, we make the hour long trip from Flint to go there some times to get the good deals. Then there is a large group of independent Chaldean grocers that have been filling the void to cover most of the rest of the city.
I understand how it can be an issue, but with some determination, it can be overcome.
Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
Oh hell no. I go to Whataburger and/or McDonalds about once aweek. I get a burger and fries with drink. I cannot get out of there alive for less than $10.
Double cheeseburger, small fry, large drink....$5.85...
Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
Do the survey at the top of your MCD's receipt and you get a med fries free.
SO----2 mac chicken, med fries, 2 drinks
$4.04
and the woman feels she was taken out for lunch.
I rather go to chic-fil-A and get 2 chicken sangs & 2 refillable drinks for $6.19 or so. Don't have one in this town, you'd think with the Base
here Chic-fil-A would move in.
While I would argue that the body handles that exactly the same as sugar, I won't. I am going to argue that it is only found in convenience foods. If people actually cooked instead of simply reheating stuff, they could avoid HFCS entirely and the only added sugars in their food would be the ones they add themselves.
HFCS drove down the price of sweetened drinks like soda where even the poor could afford to drink it on a daily basis
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"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
I'll also raise an extended middle finger to those who say "it's not fair, poor people haven't been taught about proper nutrition! "
you, and the horse you rode in on. We had nutrition information when I was a kid, ALL THROUGH SCHOOL. (Starting 35ish years ago) That info has increased 10 fold, as has the focus on eating healthy. So don't give me the pity party BS. People know what to eat, they choose not to.
It takes a real Cranial Vegetable to not know about nutrition. But my step daughter's first Husband, a real mental giant, didn't have a clue. All he ate was something sweet. And while they were living here his kids would scream and run around the house like they were high on meth. BECAUSE this liver brain would feed them anything with sugar thinking it would pacify them. All it did was make them hyper, I'm talking to the moon hyper. Now their mother has them with a new man in their life who gives a crap about nutrition and doesn't allow them to eat rocket fuel. They have calmed down 10 fold and this is to say NOTHING about the better health they are experiencing.
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Might be a lot of this ADHD is caused in part by kids wound up like a two dollar watch on sugar. Sugar in everything for breakfast, a soda in the backpack, and candy in the backpack, too.
“I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer” ― Douglas Adams
Might be a lot of this ADHD is caused in part by kids wound up like a two dollar watch on sugar. Sugar in everything for breakfast, a soda in the backpack, and candy in the backpack, too.
Exactly.
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Years ago I was in St Martin and a bottle of water was $2.00 and a bottle of Heineken was $1.00.
Back in 73, I worked in Trinidad. You could get a local beer for .30 Cents and a 40 ounce bottle of White Star Rum that cost me $2.00. I don't have a clue what a bottle of water cost. Never drank the stuff.
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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Yep...
https://www.cnpp.usda.gov/sites/default/files/archived_projects/FGPPamphlet.pdf
I remember my Mom thinking that creamed (canned) asparagus on toast was a delicacy.....a disgusting mess. Never liked it. Moved to MI and discovered that lightly steamed with a bit of butter and salt, the stuff is delicious...
Holy crap:
That is so wrong, it's not even funny
-Mikhail Kalashnikov
Gwyneth....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/17/a-hungry-gwyneth-paltrow-fails-the-food-stamp-challenge-four-days-in/?utm_term=.624dc0fe9084
Food deserts...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/04/14/what-gwyneth-paltrows-food-stamp-challenge-gets-totally-wrong-about-poverty/?utm_term=.0f0f78a3ff09
I think she drank 3 or 4 sodas per day. Maybe more. She was astounded there were calories in sodas. And in sweet tea. But she was trying to learn.
I just looked up the calories and sugar in a large McDonald's Sweet Tea - it's something a lot of folks around here like to drink. Holy cow. 160 calories and 38 g of sugar.... It's in 32 oz., but I know folks who drink one or two of those per day. (edited to correct McDonald's new numbers. It was 280 calories and 69 g.)
Same impression....poor people here (And I'm talking stone age poor) would LOVE to live in the conditions you describe.
Yes, eating healthy in the US can get expensive; friend of mine living in NY while her husband was taking his master degree says that buying groceries for her usual dinner salad was as expensive as feeding a meal for her family of 3 at any fast food joint. Main problem is knowing what to eat and forcing yourself out of your comfort zone, specially if your income level makes eating virtually the only treat you can give to yourself and your family....and no treat rivals with sweets and greasy food!
Takes both nutritional knowledge (Today easily available on the web if you do your work) and LOTS of strength of will to change feeding habits for good. In my case both the latter and a tough scare (My problem was the amount of food rather than quality) forced me to drop 50 pounds in 7 weeks during April-May....a gallbladder stone blocked the flow of bile somewhere and caused me a dreadful jaundice that lasted close to 2 months, but after loosing so much body fat (Mostly abdominal) it went through and went back to normal conditions, although had to gave up for good red meat, pork & derivatives, any kind of animal fat, most vegetable fats, sweets, sodas, any food coming out of a box or plastic bag, fried foods, spices and alcohol.
The pork loins are cheap at times in the grocery store, and I buy them on sale. Cooked in a slow cooker to falling apart tender they make a LOT of pulled pork for sandwiches.
I buy the fresh frozen vegetables that are hard to get at times here in the actual fresh form. Those, A couple of potatoes, and a bit of the tougher cuts of beef cut into small chunks make a great stew in the slow cooker. Chicken noodle soup is easy in a slow cooker, too. Add browned chicken chunks, chopped celery, peas, a little brown rice, and pasta, and a can of chicken stock and let it simmer.
I like baked fish better than the fried version. And if I buy catfish fillets, it's from a local seller. Channel cat fillets can be bought in 5# and 10# bags and the fish is caught from the Hiwassee River so it's pretty clean. I bake it on a raised mesh grill over a cookie sheet. There is a lot of different pond raised fish where I live now. People can make good money doing that, and the companies that buy it are anal about controlling the conditions of the farms they buy from.
Those mesh grills are made in different sizes, and I use one that fits in my small cake loaf pans to make meatloaf that isn't soggy on the bottom. Meatloaf sammiches are really good made from that not soggy meatloaf.
I buy a calf from my neighbor every year for slaughter. I pick one out at around 500# on the hoof, he takes the rest to the sale barn, and I pay him the high average for the calf, in CASH, when it's weighed at the slaughterhouse. No barn fee, feed fee, or other fees taken out of that one, and the local slaughterhouse cuts it to my specifications. We both win on that deal, and I KNOW the calf has been grass fed instead of loaded with corn forced fat.
― Douglas Adams
Oh hell no. I go to Whataburger and/or McDonalds about once aweek. I get a burger and fries with drink. I cannot get out of there alive for less than $10.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
I challenge you to prove you know what you're talking about. Have you ever been to Asia, not Japan or Taiwan but to a poor Asian Country? Or Mexico? There is no comparison. People that far on their ass here get government subsistence. Those outside the country don't. We won't let people starve. True, they won't get Filet Mignon with Potato Souffle and Grilled Asparagus every night, but they won't starve. Most of these people won't eat right if they have enough money. They would rather buy beer and wine with their extra money than meat and veggies.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2015/04/14/what-gwyneth-paltrows-food-stamp-challenge-gets-totally-wrong-about-poverty/?utm_term=.864e3c45497f
They were complaining about that in Detroit. The solution? They gave incentives to bring in a Whole Foods in the now revitalized Midtown area.:bang:
Meijer (a large regional grocer) just built a store on the far north end of the city right on 8 Mile Rd, plus they have had a very nice market district that has been going on for decades. Heck, we make the hour long trip from Flint to go there some times to get the good deals. Then there is a large group of independent Chaldean grocers that have been filling the void to cover most of the rest of the city.
I understand how it can be an issue, but with some determination, it can be overcome.
Double cheeseburger, small fry, large drink....$5.85...
SO----2 mac chicken, med fries, 2 drinks
$4.04
and the woman feels she was taken out for lunch.
I rather go to chic-fil-A and get 2 chicken sangs & 2 refillable drinks for $6.19 or so. Don't have one in this town, you'd think with the Base
here Chic-fil-A would move in.
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― Douglas Adams
Years ago I was in St Martin and a bottle of water was $2.00 and a bottle of Heineken was $1.00.
It takes a real Cranial Vegetable to not know about nutrition. But my step daughter's first Husband, a real mental giant, didn't have a clue. All he ate was something sweet. And while they were living here his kids would scream and run around the house like they were high on meth. BECAUSE this liver brain would feed them anything with sugar thinking it would pacify them. All it did was make them hyper, I'm talking to the moon hyper. Now their mother has them with a new man in their life who gives a crap about nutrition and doesn't allow them to eat rocket fuel. They have calmed down 10 fold and this is to say NOTHING about the better health they are experiencing.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
― Douglas Adams
Bottles got returned the next week when she got more.
By the time I hit high school I bought a case of Mt Dew a week.
I didn't get obese because I rode my bike everywhere and dug ditches for spending $$$
Exactly.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Back in 73, I worked in Trinidad. You could get a local beer for .30 Cents and a 40 ounce bottle of White Star Rum that cost me $2.00. I don't have a clue what a bottle of water cost. Never drank the stuff.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Pediatricians have been suspecting that for years.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.