The long awaited range report...

zorbazorba Senior MemberPosts: 16,566 Senior Member
Ok, first things first: This Hi-Point C9 will be just FINE for what I bought it for - WITH ROUNDNOSE AMMO: Sitting on a shelf in the kitchen, round chambered, no concerns about reloading.

Testing with HP is yet to come - so "we'll see".

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What has been said on the Hi-Point forums and elsewhere seems to be pretty much true - here's how it went down:

I had done some dry firing and hand cycling with snap caps, with varying results, but not "too bad". 1st mag of real ammo (Herter's brass FMJ) jammed on loading 1st round - HARD. Unfarkled that, and applied the suggested mag lip modification. Reloaded mag, it chambered 1st round. Shot the mag with no malfunctions. Nice shooting gun as you'd expect from the weight, and I was putting several bullets through an enlarged hole most of the time. Very repeatable.

2nd mag (of 3): A rinse and repeat of the 1st, once modified, it was fine.

3rd mag: You guessed it, rinse and repeat. Modified it, and life was good.

Reloaded the mags with the remaining of the 50 rds of Herter's brass FMJ, had a time or two of having to hit the back of the slide to get 1st round to chamber, but it would chamber and fire the entire mag just fine.

NOW - the remaining 100 rds of the 150 rds total shot, were Herter's Aluminum case TNJ (Nylon coated) made by Blazer. Whether it was the Aluminum case or the nylon coating, or just COAL, the problems chambering the 1st round got worse. I found that if I rode the slide forward, the gun would go into battery OK. I tried this from both lock open position as well as closing the slide, loading the mag, and doing a full cycle of the slide. No difference, it did NOT like chambering the 1st round of this stuff (and as noted, was a bit sketchy with the FMJ). HOWEVER, it "seemed" that as time went on, my "ride forward" got smoother and easier, but I didn't re-try a normal sling-shot (next time). But once the 1st round was chambered, the entire mag went through flawlessly...

EXCEPT -

About this point in time, the gun decided it didn't want to lock open on last round. It had been locking open with the FMJ just fine, but not this stuff - UNTIL - the last 5 or 6 mags full, when it decided to work again and continued to lock open.

The conclusions I've drawn at this point are:

1) It seems the gun needs breaking in - which is consistent with what I've read pretty much everywhere. 200-250 rds is what everyone says, I shot 150 today (well, actually 151, I had one (mil-surp) round from my last range trip with a different gun that didn't go off despite 3 re-strikes. Much to my amazement, it went off in this gun). The hold back problem seemed to improve, and the 1st round loading seemed smoother. More data is needed.

2) The magazines need the lip mod everyone talks about. Hi-Point uses the same mags for both 9mm and 9mm Kurz (.380 ACP), and the mags are apparently setup for .380 out of the box.

3) The jury is still out on the 1st round load problem. Dunno if it will self-fix with more rounds through it, or if I'll need to polish the feed ramp, or if replacing the by all accounts crappy mag spring will help. More data is obviously needed, I'll replace the spring in one of the mags for next time so I can A/B the situation.

4) I need to test with hollow points, as that's what I'm going to load the gun with. Don't care too much if it has a 1st round problem with HP, as long as it cycles as reliably upon firing.

5) The mags managed to pinch a tiny blood blister into my pinky finger - I think more from the (2) 10 rounders than the (1) 8 round example. They latch in OK, but the bottom end is loose enough to rattle around like Obama's brain in a gnat's ass! A CZ this ain't!

More data and experiences when I have it. A Glock it ain't, but we all knew that - It may very well turn out to be just fine with a bit of tweaking and more rds through it - which would be consistent with what I've read elsewhere.

I also shot 50 rds of .32ACP through my late father's Beretta 3032 "TomCat". Its been awhile since I've shot this gun. Very sharp recoil pulse, which bangs the trigger guard against my trigger finger to the point of painfulness. I was within a minute of bad guy with it, but my accuracy was just plain embarrassing! A target gun it ain't!
-Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

My Karma ran over your Dogma!

Replies

  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    Maybe you just need to short load the mags until the spring breaks in.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,566 Senior Member
    early wrote: »
    Maybe you just need to short load the mags until the spring breaks in.

    That could be too - although I *did* exercise each mag as recommended. That's why I'm only gonna change the spring in one.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    My Karma ran over your Dogma!
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    Someone is gonna say ya gosta hol' it sideways dog.

    Might as well be me :jester:
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,566 Senior Member
    Snort! Gotta see if I can mount sights on the side!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    My Karma ran over your Dogma!
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 26,680 Senior Member
    If failures continue after breakin my money is on mag springs.
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,566 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    If failures continue after breakin my money is on mag springs.

    Ditto.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    My Karma ran over your Dogma!
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,965 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    If failures continue after breakin my money is on mag springs.

    My money is on the fact the gun is a steaming pile of excrement.
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • timctimc Senior Member Posts: 6,341 Senior Member
    I like the camouflage pattern, it will make that junk heap easy to loose!
    timc - formerly known as timc on the last G&A forum and timc on the G&A forum before that and the G&A forum before that.....
    AKA: Former Founding Member
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,566 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    My money is on the fact the gun is a steaming pile of excrement.

    Yea, yea - a CZ it ain't, but its better than it has any business being. I just might deign to let you shoot it at Jerry's next year, but ya gotta be a good boy now! :devil::jester::roll2:
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    My Karma ran over your Dogma!
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,566 Senior Member
    timc wrote: »
    I like the camouflage pattern, it will make that junk heap easy to loose!
    Its already loose - it has strange and wonderful rattles!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    My Karma ran over your Dogma!
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