First deer with the LR-308 gas gun.

ZeeZee Senior MemberPosts: 19,609 Senior Member
Friend needed another doe culled to give to ranch hands. So, I showed up early to zero the rifle since I had replaced the brake with a Surefire, the gas block with a Sekins Adjustable, and the scope with a Trijicon TA-55.

Got the gas block adjusted to just cycle my handloads. This reduced felt recoil considerably though I can also feel a slowed cyclic rate. Maybe the gun won’t beat itself to death now. A common problem with some .308 gas guns and higher than occasional shooting.

Zeroed the gun with the ammo I pulled the 165gr bonded bullet from and reseated the 165gr Sierra HPBT-GK. Final shot hit dead center of the paster. Installed the suppressor and fired a shot which struck the previous impact. That’ll do.

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We loaded up and went out to pour corn along one of the roads, parked the Mule behind some brush and waited.

Soon, some yearlings came out to feed. Then, some does began to be seen in the brush, being chased by several bucks. About 150 yards away, a herd of deer came through the fence corner and began to feed. But, there were too many and they were too bunched together to get a shot without collateral damage.

A few minutes later, a doe crossed the fence in front of us and began walking down the fence towards the others. Aiming high to avoid the heart and slightly back to avoid the shoulder (waste meat), I sent the 165gr Sierra across the 77 yard distance and into her ribs.

She jumped high high into the air and took off across the pasture. I felt good about the shot and watched her stumbling as she ran. Getting lower and lower to the ground, she tumbled over after a little over 100 yards. Thinking she was done, but almost instantly, she popped back up and continued stumbling, and running across the pasture. Crap!!

I jumped out of the Mule and ran to a tree. Bracing against it, I aimed high on her ribes as she quarter away and sent another round into her as she ran (later ranged at 201 yards) into the brush. Hearing the impact, I knew she was hit again.

Walked across the pasture and found her lying just inside the brush. Total distance of her run was 240 yards!!! She ran 210 yards before I hit her the second time and 30 more yards after the second hit. Wow!

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Now for the baffling part. There is only ONE entrance hole in that deer!!! Middle of the ribs.

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And two exit holes!!!

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The one in the middle of the ribs was the first exit. The one through the shoulder was the second exit as she ran quartering away.

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Entrance on the right of the pic. First exit low on the left and second exit high on the left.

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First round entrance to the lungs above.

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On the left of the picture, you will see the first rounds exit through the back of the lungs and to the right, the second round’s exit through the middle of the lungs and above the heart. It passed between the rear lobes of the lungs and through the center of the vascular system.

So, the two things that are boggling to me.

1. How she ran so far with a hole through both of her lungs from the first shot.

2. How the HELL I hit her in the EXACT same entrance hole with BOTH shots!!! I was NOT trying to do that.

I know the first shot was a little back in the chest as I was trying to save the heart for me and the meat for the ranch hand. But, I didn’t think it was bad shot placement. She bled the entire way! A shot closer to the shoulder would have caused more damage to the vascular and circulatory system, no doubt. I won’t place that shot again. Still............Just one tough deer?
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith

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  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 6,054 Senior Member
    How much time did it take this doe to cover that 240 yards?

    I don’t recall exactly but your work on the pig a couple years ago comes to mind. Mr. Piggy took a .40(?) to the heart and lasted 10(?) seconds.

    You didn’t break any big bones to slow her run down, the heart was still intact to pump. You just had to wait for her brain to run out of oxygenated blood.
    I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure.
    Dad 5-31-13
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 38,291 Senior Member
    Head shots waste zero meat. Sayin.
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 9,973 Senior Member
    I shot a 4 pointer like that once, he piled up pretty quick though after the second shot, he spun and was engaging the afterburners after the first one, I figured I was just very focused on my first shot and just had my eye go back to the same aiming point, pretty freaky that the bullets found the same spot with the second shot on a moving deer.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,609 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Head shots waste zero meat. Sayin.

    I don’t get to test bullets with head shots.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,609 Senior Member
    How much time did it take this doe to cover that 240 yards?

    I don’t recall exactly but your work on the pig a couple years ago comes to mind. Mr. Piggy took a .40(?) to the heart and lasted 10(?) seconds.

    You didn’t break any big bones to slow her run down, the heart was still intact to pump. You just had to wait for her brain to run out of oxygenated blood.

    I didn’t time it, but the sequence went like this:

    Shot
    Run
    Fall
    Get up
    I get out of the Mule while installing a Bipod and run to a tree as she crosses the pasture.
    Kneel next to tree for support and shoot.
    Hit
    Run 30 more yards and fall.

    So, however long that takes.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,609 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 wrote: »
    I shot a 4 pointer like that once, he piled up pretty quick though after the second shot, he spun and was engaging the afterburners after the first one, I figured I was just very focused on my first shot and just had my eye go back to the same aiming point, pretty freaky that the bullets found the same spot with the second shot on a moving deer.

    Luckiest shot I’ve ever made.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 38,291 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    I don’t get to test bullets with head shots.

    ''Tis true.
    Hopefully in a few more years I'll be over testing. Then if the situation present itself, it's gonna be head and neck shots. Much cleaner that way
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,609 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Luckiest shot I’ve ever made.

    Actually, I did the same thing with my first elk.

    Two shots, one entrance, two exits. But, he was only 50ish yards away.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,358 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Head shots waste zero meat. Sayin.

    That was my thought as well. Want to save the heart? Shoot the brain
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 6,697 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    I don’t get to test bullets with head shots.

    Yes. . .but the pics of the eyeballs bugged out like Cookie Monster more than makes up for the lack of science.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,609 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    That was my thought as well. Want to save the heart? Shoot the brain

    Yeah. The heart is pretty tasty.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • timctimc Senior Member Posts: 6,361 Senior Member
    Interesting, you just never know what they have in them. Strange how a good hit and she still covered so much distance. Good hunting!
    timc - formerly known as timc on the last G&A forum and timc on the G&A forum before that and the G&A forum before that.....
    AKA: Former Founding Member
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,132 Senior Member
    timc wrote: »
    Interesting, you just never know what they have in them. Strange how a good hit and she still covered so much distance. Good hunting!

    I will admit there's not going to be much information gained from hitting the head, but they can't run very far with half their brains running down their face or their spinal chord snapped in half.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,132 Senior Member
    One thing I love about head, neck, spine shots, if you hit it right, the animal don't have time to wonder what happened and/or feel much pain. He/she/it usually expires before he/she/it hits the ground like that.

    The down side of that is it's a much smaller target. And if it's moving it's kinda iffy at best.

    I'll take whatever shot I can get, but if the animal is stationary, I'll try for head, neck or spine. But then I'm not testing bullets. I'm pretty well set in my ways on bullets.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,132 Senior Member
    Zee wrote: »
    Friend needed another doe culled to give to ranch hands. So, I showed up early to zero the rifle since I had replaced the brake with a Surefire, the gas block with a Sekins Adjustable, and the scope with a Trijicon TA-55.


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    That right there is fast becoming my favorite hunting bullet.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,609 Senior Member
    I use head shots when I can or have to. Just not as fun.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 7,501 Senior Member
    Excellent result. I really need to go hunting soon.

    Is there any possibility that the projectile shed its jacket on initial impact which then made the second exit hole? Reason I ask is that when I first started reloading I had that happen to me. Dropped a deer with one shot then when I skinned the animal I found 2 exit holes.
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,609 Senior Member
    No. I had a reaction and heard the impact from the first hit and heard the impact from the second hit as well.
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 27,037 Senior Member
    Once saw a small doe punched right through the heart with a 12ga slug make it an extra 125 yards. You never know...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 6,734 Senior Member
    Animals are unpredictable...That one just wanted to run, although she was dead already.
    Good shooting!
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 6,954 Senior Member
    What Enrie said. Sometimes they are hit perfectly and just have extra legs. As you opined, this was just one tough deer. Very nice work on your part.

    The bullet looks to have performed perfectly. No excessive lung liquification that often signifies heavy meat damage, but it clearly expanded. The damage matches exactly what I’ve seen with the same Sierra HPBT in both 6mm and 7mm offerings.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • Ammo3Ammo3 New Member Posts: 6 New Member
    Impressive. nice one!
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 27,037 Senior Member
    Had some time to think about this and it seems to me that pure lung shots are not necessarily fast killers. What kills an animal is a quick bleeding out which lung tissue does not really provide and your entry point is between ribs which made for very little resistance to the bullets so no expansion, very little hydrostatic shock. Plenty of humans get lung shot and survive for hours. Just some random thoughts...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 17,738 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Plenty of humans get lung shot and survive for hours. Just some random thoughts...
    One small problem with that line of thought though, E.

    IME, most people who get shot are shot from either the front or back, meaning only one lung gets hit.

    In school for my Paramedic, I was lucky enough for the man that LITERALLY wrote the book for the "International Trauma Life Support" class, Dr. John E. Campbell, teach trauma.

    He pointed out that the chance of a person surviving a front to back, or back to front shot, through the chest, was much higher than someone shot side to side.


    Concerning the deer, your entry point is similar to the wife's this past weekend, and the deer ran a similar distance, though without a second shot.

    The heart may be tasty, I wouldn't know, never tried it, however, I'm willing to sacrifice a little meat for a shorter tracking job, and better chance of recovering the animal.

    Knowing how open your terrain is, I understand that being able to watch the deer run 100+ yards is quite different than around here, where if it makes it 50+ yards, it's probably DEEP into the woods

    Edited to change "Basic" to "International" since the organization changed their name some time back. Dr. Campbell is still the president it.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


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