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Fisheadgib wrote: »
I graduated from high school, went through basic training, went through tech school, and got stationed at Eglin all before I turned 18.
Jayhawker wrote: »
The shock from Columbine had not worn off when, at the school boards request, we presented an exhaustive list of measures that could be taken to protect our communities schools. There was all manner of head-nodding, verbal agreements, etc. Then when we got to how much all these recommendations would cost.....you could have heard a pin drop. Then the outspoken parents who were agreeing with us started in on how it sounded like we were trying to turn the schools into prisons. It will ALWAYS come down to the cash...
Over the years since, talking with my peers in the business....they all tell the same story....
If all those kids screaming about gun control knew that their safety had been sold out because of a lack of cash....I wonder what they would be saying....
cpj wrote: »
This won't be popular.....
If that's ALL, I repeat ALL that comes of this, I'm fine with it. They believe it helps, and it doesn't affect me.
breamfisher wrote: »
A few things about POTUS's announcement, which read in part:
“Just a few moments ago, I signed a memorandum directing the attorney general to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns,”
1. He's directing the Justice Department to do a review of regulations. This is not a legislative solution, but one of those decisions made by unelected officials that used to get folks riled up.
2. He wants to be the regulations against, in his words, against "all devices." That's danged open-ended, and as some have pointed out could include "high capacity" magazines, lighter triggers, or anything else that might allow you to have a higher rate of fire. He's NOT advocating for a ban on bump stocks, but rather is so open ended other stuff could be lost through collateral damage.
3. He's wanting them to regulate items that "turn legal weapons into machine guns.” That's a regulative redefinition of previously existing legislation (Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 via the Hughes Amendment.0 Separation of powers, much?
I remember when the POTUS was running, a few of us here (myself included) suggested that if there was a tragedy he might push for legislation or regulations that would infringe on our rights, but at the same time really do nothing. We pointed out that then-candidate Trump had called for increased regulation on "assault weapons" and maybe even an outright ban, but were told not to worry.
breamfisher wrote: »
If I remember correctly, a lot of the Vegas shooter's rifles were jammed, no? If he hadn't have been using bump stocks, he might have killed or wounded more people.
Varmintmist wrote: »
I people are to immature to own a rifle at 18, then they are to young to make a decision to vote.
If one goes then the other needs to.
See what DiFi would say to that.
tennmike wrote: »
People, people, people! Know with whom you are dealing! Since NFA we have been giving, giving, giving, and giving, and the Left calls it compromise. In a compromise, neither side gets ALL they want, but they both get something. WE have been giving the whole time and not getting a dammed thing in return. THAT IS NOT COMPROMISE! Past time to dig in heels and say HELL NO! to any more of this taking.
BigDanS, I REALLY hope that post you made was tongue in cheek satire. And I'm sayin'.
bullsi1911 wrote: »
What the hell? I am honestly stunned how many people are willing to give up and roll over in the hope that it’s all they take.
Never give up. Fight against EVERY step they try to take. Especially when this one was totally preventable if local and federal law enforcement did their damn job. This was not the fault of of any law abiding 18 year old that wants to buy the first rifle the same way most of us did the minute we came of age. Why punish them?
Got a bunch of people sitting around the camp fire with Jim Zumbo here.
NCFUBAR wrote: »
Okay, dumb question ... would this be like the 21 yo to buy a handgun from an FFL but private sales (or lending, etc) to an 18 yo in many place are completely legal.
Part II ... what is there to stop a P0S from stealing one from a family member, friend, stranger, LGS ... they are not going to abide by laws if they are hell bent on doing something.
Make_My_Day wrote: »
I can attest to this from experience. I bought a bumpstock 3 years ago and tried it out at Jerry's 2 years ago and again last year. Although it's a lot of fun to shoot simulated full auto, it's practically worthless in a combat situation except you can spray a lot of bullets and maybe hit something. The damn thing fires so fast that the barrel climbs up in the air no matter how hard you try to keep it level to the ground. Last year when I tried the auto setting on the stock, I got through one or 2 mags and the thing stopped firing. Either the action wasn't lubricated well enough or the gas tube was clogged, which had been suggested by someone.
Regardless, I'm going to be pissed if they ban the bumpstock. I wrote Trump, Sen. Rubio and Rep. Desantis about it twice already. I rather enjoyed using the thing, flawed as it is.
BTW, the democruds are using an incremental strategy. If you think age limits and bumpstock banning is no big deal, wait 5 years and see what else they have shoved up our asses. They are just waiting until they get the right president, congress and supreme court.
tennmike wrote: »
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) announced Friday that she is introducing legislation to raise the minimum age to purchase rifles — including military-style assault weapons — from 18 to 21.
Under federal law, handguns cannot be sold to anyone under age 21. But licensed gun dealers are permitted to sell assault-style rifles and other “long guns” to buyers 18 and older.
Nikolas Cruz, the suspected gunman in Wednesday’s school shooting in Parkland, Florida, used an AR-15 assault-style rifle, according to police. He is 19 years old.
Lone gunmen in many of the most deadly mass shootings in the U.S. over the past several years, including the Las Vegas massacre on Oct. 1, were armed with similar weapons.
“Licensed gun dealers cannot sell a handgun to anyone under 21, but they are allowed to sell assault rifles like the AR-15 to anyone over 18. This policy is dangerous and makes absolutely no sense,” Feinstein said in a statement.
“If you can’t buy a handgun or a bottle of beer, you shouldn’t be able to buy an AR-15,” she continued. “This is common sense, and I hope my Republican colleagues will join me in this effort.”
Well, if this gets any traction, then NO ONE should be allowed to join the armed forces until they are 21 years old, or older. Soldiers as young as 14(and the 14 y.o. was a MOH recipient at Iwo Jima) have been fighting in wars for as long as this country has been around. If they are now deemed not mature enough to buy a rifle or handgun until they're 21, or buy a beer, then they're ALSO damned sure too young to be in the military service. This is a black and white choice; there is no gray area here. Either they are old/mature enough to buy and own them at 18, or they have no business cheating by joining the military and getting to handle/shoot them.
And while we're at it, if the age for buying/owning a rifle AND pistol is raised to 21, then the voting age should ALSO BE RAISED to 21. If you're too stupid to own either a rifle or pistol until you're 21, then you don't need to be voting and screwing up the country either!
breamfisher wrote: »
Now Little Marco had come out in favor of raising the age limit on rifles and a magazine capacity ban.
Varmintmist wrote: »
I was one of the first to remind everyone here that Trump was for gun control, a staunch supporter of removing the rights of the lesser people.
At this time, he has done nothing to warrant our scorn. I am willing to wait before I say "I told you so." even though I feel it coming.
zorba wrote: »
Just because of who it is is enough to oppose it. It could be worse though, it could be Pelosi!
Jermanator wrote: »
I seen that. It is disappointing, but not unexpected. The only two that I trusted to remain solid on 2A was Ted Cruz and Rand Paul.
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