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jaywaptijaywapti Senior MemberPosts: 4,958 Senior Member
The wife of the pulse nightclub shooter that killed 49 people was found not guilty on all counts.

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    edited March 2018 #2
    I remember a case back in the 90s in Tampa where a guy was being taken in by two detectives for questioning after he 'Accidentally' shot and killed his toddler.

    He convinced them his injury to his leg/knee or something was very painful and they cuffed in the front and placed him in a sedan with no cage.

    He had a spare handcuff key on his person, got loose and took one of their pistols and killed them both. Escaped on the Interstate, shot and killed a rookie state trooper too and ended up a few exits North and shot himself in a gas station as SWAT was moving in.

    Anyhow everyone was upset over the loss of the detectives, especially their families (understandably). 

    Later they tried his wife for aiding and abetting him owning guns or something like that........she was a terrified not so educated woman, sorta pitiful and scared for her life around him.........but wanting to strike out  against anyone and anything associated with that scumbag who murdered those three cops ...........they brought her to trial and convicted her. I forget exactly how many years she got.

    Anyhow, I always viewed that as just being vindictive since the killer wasn't around to take it out on. IMHO

    Others may remember the case better than I.

    I dunno in this case they were saying the state couldn't prove she was aiding and abetting his plans to go on a killing spree. She may and probably did have knowledge something bad was being planned by him.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    OK she was convicted of Child Neglect.

    Hank Earl Carr..........https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hank_Earl_Carr

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member

    From the article.

    "On the morning of May 19, around 10:30, Carr carried the young son of his girlfriend Bernice Bowen into a fire station. The boy had a gunshot wound to the head, but the circumstances of the injury were unclear — first Carr claimed that the boy was dragging a rifle and walking around when it accidentally discharged, but later he said that he himself had been holding it when it discharged.

    Carr, having told police he was Joseph Bennett, the father of the child, ran back to the site of the shooting while being pursued by police. Threatening an officer with a rifle, he dropped it and again ran away, and this time was caught and handcuffed. Tampa Police Department detectives Randy Bell and Ricky Childers took him back to the apartment where the boy had been shot to continue to interview him. On the trip back to the police department, with Bell and Childers in the front seats and Carr sitting behind them, handcuffed in front, Carr successfully unlocked his handcuffs with a key he carried on his person, he then disarmed Childers by snatching his Glock handgun from his shoulder holster. In the struggle that ensued, Carr shot both officers in the face, killing them at the scene.

    Exiting the car, he carjacked a pickup truck and fled. After briefly visiting his mother and refueling at a local service station, he got on Interstate 75 heading north. The first police officer in pursuit was Florida State Trooper James Crooks, and as he approached, Carr veered onto an exit ramp located in Pasco County, Florida, braked, and exited the truck. As Crooks also braked to a stop, Carr approached and shot him twice in the head, killing him instantly.

    Getting back in the pickup truck, Carr fled as multiple police cars and a police helicopter pursued him in a high-speed chase and gunfight. With his tires blown out and running low on ammunition, Carr exited the interstate and entered a convenience store, where he took as a hostage Stephanie Kramer, a pregnant clerk. For the rest of the afternoon, he remained in the store, as nearly 200 officers surrounded him. Local radio station WFLA conducted phone interviews in the midst of the crisis, later drawing criticism from both journalism experts and police. At 7:20pm, Carr released Kramer and shot and killed himself as the SWAT team forcibly entered the building.


    "Bowen's son ultimately died, raising the number killed by Carr to four. In later testimony it was revealed that he abused Bowen and her children, and he was found to be a convicted felon with a history of violent crime, including assault of police officers. He was also wanted in several states.

    In 1999, Bowen was convicted of child neglect for allowing Carr around her children. Prosecutors contended that since Bowen knew of Carr's violent history, she should have never allowed him to be around children. She was sentenced to 15 years in prison.[1] Later in 1999, she was charged with aiding and abetting Carr's escape, as well as for being an accessory to the murders of her son and the three police officers. Even after one officer broke down and begged her to tell them Carr's real name, Bowen didn't do so. Prosecutors claimed that if she had, police would have known he was a convicted felon and used tougher measures in handling him.

    She was sentenced to 21.5 years in prison, to run concurrently with her child neglect sentence. However, those convictions were thrown out on appeal in 2001. A state appeals court found that prosecutors focused too much on what Bowen should have done to prevent Carr's rampage, rather than what she did after the crimes were committed. The court also acquitted her of aiding and abetting the deaths of her son and Trooper Crooks.[2] She was convicted of the remaining charges in 2002, and sentenced to 20 years in prison. Sentencing guidelines called for only 6–11 years, but in sentencing her, the judge said that Bowen's lies to police were so egregious that they endangered the public.[3] This sentence also runs concurrently with her child abuse sentence, and she was released in October 2016.[4][5]

    Experts later expressed shock that the detectives had not handcuffed Carr's hands behind his back, but others defended the action, arguing that at the time the detectives thought they were dealing with a bereaved father, not a violent criminal. The media's handling of the situation also received sharp criticism, as in addition to the radio station's live interview, camera crews for local television stations were broadcasting live shots of the area surrounding the convenience store."



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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I wonder if the jury was more concerned about dealing with a Muslim with kid gloves or the murder of gays...............in this case the former, I reckon.  
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Of course, we all would like to believe justice is blind and and equal for all.......................
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    It's very difficult if not impossible to make informed judgements on anything that's missing the details and facts available to those intimately involved. At some point one is forced to trust the justice system. Having seen the jury system up close, I was not impressed with my neighbors, but I can hope they're better than dictorial aristocrats.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    Not being there for the trial, it's hard to make any judgement on her. The prosecution most likely didn't make a strong enough case and had weak evidence. I'd bet she knew more than she claimed about the whole thing. But she doesn't have to give evidence against herself and rightly so. Pretty hard to prove what someone was thinking or what they know/knew without any direct evidence.
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,669 Senior Member
    Yeah, without a witness or confession it's hard to prove. I think she was a liar, but that's just me.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,708 Senior Member
    News said she wasn't smart enough to know what was going on.
    Shut up-----KAREN; OK Cynthia
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