What would you do in this situation?

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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,161 Senior Member
    bisley said:
    Yeah, but what if it's two guys with a machete and a bicycle chain whuppin' up on two guys with baseball bats and brass knucks?

    I'm just saying that these 'what would you do' scenarios don't necessarily have a pat answer.

    This wasn't a made up incident searching for a hypothetical response. This actually occurred and the op was asking about how others would react or respond.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,161 Senior Member
    You have to be careful intervening in today’s times. About 12 year ago me and my wife were coming out of a store and a man Andy woman parked next to us were arguing. Well it escalated and he started beating the shot out of her so I got involved and long story short I was put in cuffs when the law arrived. I was the one treated like a criminal if it wasn’t for other witnesss it could of turned bad for me with assault charges.

    I witnessed something similar in the past. In the seventies while I was in the military, a friend of mine and I were in a pool hall in Florida and there was this little redneck kid slapping the crap out of this girl and cussing her out. My buddy grabbed his wrist and calmly said "you shouldn't oughta be doin that" and while he was watching the guy, the girl that he just "rescued" stroked a glass beer pitcher over his head.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,253 Senior Member
    I'm sort of hesitant to take any side in a fight I didn't see start. I did, once, and almost got arrested for assisting the perp. Turned out, the defendant was doing pretty well on her own. Mike
    A retired cop I used to know tells the story of him being dressed like a druggie and having to affect an arrest on a woman during a drug buy (in the 1980s in Bakersfield, CA).  She ran, he chased her, caught her, and she started screaming "HELP".  An off duty officer was nearby, drew his gun and tried to stop the 'assault' he was witnessing.

    Took a bit to straighten things out, but it illustrates what could go bad when you intervene.

    However, it's pretty clear that it's not an undercover cop when they are wailing away with a machete and a chain
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • Cheetoh734Cheetoh734 Senior Member Posts: 693 Senior Member
    To be clear, the reason I posed this particular question was the added and, I feel, extreme extenuating circumstance of a machete being used to hack a man up on a busy street corner in the middle of rush hour traffic. I certainly wouldn't ask about a typical street fight. I am not sure what I would do to be honest.
  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 694 Senior Member
    I would have to get involved and as I am always armed, my gun would be out.  But then I live in a state that does not coddle criminals (with the exception of Broward County).  Here are the applicable Florida Statutes:

    The 2017 Florida Statutes

    Title XLVI
    CRIMES
    Chapter 776
    JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
    View Entire Chapter
    776.012 Use or threatened use of force in defense of person.—
    (1) A person is justified in using or threatening to use force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person who uses or threatens to use force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat before using or threatening to use such force.
    (2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.

    776.08 Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 694 Senior Member
    I would have to get involved and as I am always armed, my gun would be out.  But then I live in a state that does not coddle criminals (with the exception of Broward County).  Here are the applicable Florida Statutes:

    The 2017 Florida Statutes

    Title XLVI
    CRIMES
    Chapter 776
    JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
    View Entire Chapter
    776.012 Use or threatened use of force in defense of person.—(1) A person is justified in using or threatening to use force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person who uses or threatens to use force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat before using or threatening to use such force.
    (2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.

    776.08 Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 694 Senior Member
    II would have to get involved and as I am always armed, my gun would be out.  But then I live in a state that does not coddle criminals (with the exception of Broward County).  Here are the applicable Florida Statutes:

    The 2017 Florida Statutes

    Title XLVI
    CRIMES
    Chapter 776 
    JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
    View Entire Chapter
    776.012 Use or threatened use of force in defense of person.—(1) A person is justified in using or threatening to use force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person who uses or threatens to use force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat before using or threatening to use such force.(2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.

    776.08 Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 694 Senior Member
    I would have to get involved and as I am always armed, my gun would be out.  But then I live in a state that does not coddle criminals (with the exception of Broward County).  Here are the applicable Florida Statutes:

    The 2017 Florida Statutes

    Title XLVI
    CRIMES
    Chapter 776 
    JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
    View Entire Chapter
    776.012 Use or threatened use of force in defense of person.—(1) A person is justified in using or threatening to use force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person who uses or threatens to use force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat before using or threatening to use such force.(2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.

    776.08 Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
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