Gaza Fight - Israeli Snipers?

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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,256 Senior Member


    They could be better off living in and being Israeli.


    Says the British man to the American. You guys have a bit of experience with the challenges of subjugating native populations...

    Of course all that's moot because Israel doesn't want them, they want their land, but not the people.
    You seem to forget who the aggressors in the region have been since the 50s.
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  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Senior Member Posts: 993 Senior Member
    Oops - most of the protesters killed were Hamas fighters.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-hamas-gaza-israel-20180516-story.html
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,112 Senior Member
    Every time I see Palestinians protesting on the news I think of Democrats as non of them appears to have any jobs or occupations and all they do all day is protest, harass Jews, and throw rocks. What do they do for a living? How do they buy food? 
    A good question, and a big part of the problem. Israel basically treats the Palestinian territories as a giant open air prison, they blockade the import of pretty much everything in and out of there so it makes it virtually impossible to develop any sort of sustainable economy. Most Palestinians can't get a passport because they aren't actually citizens of any recognized nation including Israel. What industries did exist like fishing have largely been eliminated or severely restricted because of blockades or the land useful for valuable economic activity was confiscated and used to build settlements.

    So typical questions that follow from conservatives: Why don't they just leave?
    They can't! See notes above about not having passports and not being able to cross borders.  As we're seeing right now, even getting close to the border can result in getting shot by a sniper.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/gaza-borders_n_5630811.html

    Why don't they all have jobs, look how prosperous the Israelis are, why are they so poor? Again they live in an occupied police state without citizenship with limited ability to import raw materials or export goods produced. They also have to deal with Israel stepping in and taking any land that is actually useful/productive and building settlements. Add in the inability form a functional government with any power, collect taxes, build infrastructure, etc. and you have a recipe for poverty, anger, and frustration. If say the federal government stepped in and imposed the sorts of actions against say the state of Alabama as Israel has against the occupied territories you'd get a lot more than just throwing rocks and burning tires. When you give people basically no choices they're going to find any possible way to lash out.

    Some more reading about what it's like to be a Palestinian, as if anyone actually cares to see them as anything other than a bunch of Muslim terrorists.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/things-palestinians-cant-do_us_586554d4e4b0eb58648895bc
    The Palestinians are basically what is left of the conglomeration of Arabs that have been attempting to annihilate Israel since 1948. They couldn't do it then, when Israel had nothing, and they failed in all of their other attempts, when armed and trained by the Soviet Union. If Israel had kept the land they conquered while defending their lives, the Palestinians would be living in Jordan or Egypt, or Syria, where they would still be treated like second rate citizens. The ones who assimilated in Israel live with the same basic rights as any other Israeli. If they don't cause trouble, they don't have trouble.

    The Palestinians of today are nothing but the pawns of Hamas and Hisbollah, financed by Iran, and a diminishing number of Arab radical organiztions who happily spend Palestinian lives very freely, for the propaganda value that they have with leftist Europeans and Americans, to fuel their already vigorous hatred of Jews.

    Those pallets of American cash that Obama gave to Iran can finance years of misery for the Palestinians, so you are barking up the wrong tree when you think you can demand sympathy for their plight, from people with logical minds. Sure, I hate to see any human being suffer, but anything that is done to help them is wasted, because they don't use it to better themselves - they use it to attack the people they hate, who happen to be our friends.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,114 Senior Member
    edited May 17 #65
    Arabs, a strange lot, indeed. 

    Yep, with CNN's/ABC's Christiane Amanpour (Iranian, born in London) and her ilk  showing the plight of the po lil Mohamed's and how bad Israel and the rest of the world treats them drumming up sympathy for them..........no wonder folks fall for the biased news presentations I've seen.  

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,114 Senior Member
    Then again, Obammy had Valerie Jarrett as a senior advisor born in Iran to American parents............not hard to see where her sympathies came from and influence on Dipsticks policies .
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,662 Senior Member
    edited May 17 #67
    tennmike said:
    HERE is the brutal truth that Alpha fails to acknowledge. Terrorists in training from the cradle.


    Dont'cha' know? Liberals NEVER acknowledge the truth, unless it benefits them in some way. Like most Libs, Alph would rather stick up for the terrorist sand-monkies than the REAL victims in this hell-hole.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,112 Senior Member

    Dont'cha' know? Liberals NEVER acknowledge the truth, unless it benefits them in some way. Like most Libs, Alph would rather stick up for the terrorist sand-monkies than the REAL victims in this hell-hole.
    The line between 'liberals' and 'leftists' has become very blurred in recent years. Historically, liberals have leaned left to varying extents (for the last 5 decades, or so), but still hadn't completely crossed the line into preaching that conservatives are so evil as to be equated with the most vile of our declared enemies. Leftists, on the other hand, have always been hard-core opponents of individual freedom, and don't pull many punches when reviling those that you and I think of as 'normal' Americans.

    It's hard to pin them down, as either, because neither likes to debate the legitimacy of whatever their ideology is, or even to identify themselves with an ideology. It's almost like their ideology is just anything that tears at the unity of the nation, and anybody who disagrees with them is stupid.
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,076 Senior Member
    Dont'cha' know? Liberals NEVER acknowledge the truth, unless it benefits them in some way. Like most Libs, Alph would rather stick up for the terrorist sand-monkies than the REAL victims in this hell-hole.
    Your post speaks volumes. Your inability to see them as human beings is a huge part of the problem. As long as you can see them as not human it's easy to justify all sorts of mistreatment. The problem is humans or even monkeys or dogs for that matter when treated badly enough for long enough have a tendency to lash out and bite. Since you don't see them as human anyway, might as well continue with the analogy. Essentially Israel has a cage full of wild animals and they keep mistreating them and in return they keep getting bit.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,114 Senior Member
    The Palestinians/HAMAS want to wipe the Jews off the face of the Earth, the Jews just want to be left alone........a big difference. 
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 1,733 Senior Member
    Dehumanizing people considered as enemies is a very old practice. I think its likely ineffectual over all.

    It's also important to remember that the intensity of rhetorical debate is not necessarily reflective of the true character and beliefs of the person posting. Much like the ease of condemning an entire people based on the actions of extremists, its easy on line to forget we're having a debate with people deserving of our courtesy and respect.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 23,295 Senior Member
    Your post speaks volumes. Your inability to see them as human beings is a huge part of the problem. As long as you can see them as not human it's easy to justify all sorts of mistreatment. The problem is humans or even monkeys or dogs for that matter when treated badly enough for long enough have a tendency to lash out and bite. Since you don't see them as human anyway, might as well continue with the analogy. Essentially Israel has a cage full of wild animals and they keep mistreating them and in return they keep getting bit.
    Your sympathizing with terrorists will win you no friends. The PLO was/is a terrorist organization. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization. The government in Gaza is a terrorist organization. THEY ALL have in their creed and founding documents the utter destruction of Israel and the Jewish people. If the Israeli people kill the people that are trying to kill them daily, then that is just an example of natural law; when someone is killing you then you have the right to try to kill them in return. You seem not to understand that simple concept of self defense.

    If the Israeli Jews packed up and left Israel to the 'Palestinians' tomorrow, within a year it would be the same squalid mess that Gaza is now, and return to desert as it was when the Jews returned and made the desert bloom after they won their war for their state. What it was BEFORE the Jews returned and built that jewel called Israel is what it would return to in short order. And the explanation is simple, IF you have any concept of history. The 'Palestinian' Arabs build nothing; they tear down with a vengeance. Within that first year, infighting and a whole crowd of factions would be fighting each other over the spoils, and at the end of the year, be fighting for the scraps. And everything would be destroyed leaving a squalid bunch of paupers with their hands out to the UN for food and economic aid. The food they'd eat and the economic aid would be converted to arms to continue killing off the various factions. And there would be a few 'fat cats' at the top, most likely ayatollahs or mullahs, stirring the pot to keep the killing and the hatred going. With no Jews left, they'd be fighting over which flavor of Islam is the 'right' flavor, and depending on which 'flavor' you subscribe to, your job would be to kill those that don't drink the same Kool-Aid to which YOUR ayatollah or mullah subscribes.
    I may be a Deplorable, but at least I'm not a Liberal!!!



  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,114 Senior Member
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,114 Senior Member
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,260 Senior Member
    edited May 17 #75
    .................. its easy on line to forget we're having a debate with people deserving of our courtesy and respect.

     

    I have not courtesy or respect for a blatant liar.






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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,114 Senior Member
    Hey we all love guns! Double pistols animated emoticon
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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,260 Senior Member
    edited May 17 #77
    Big Chief said:
    Hey we all love guns! Double pistols animated emoticon
    Well said that chap.

    cjp wrote: »..... Oh dear God, I've admitted to liking something Limey.I'll never hear the end of this.

    Jayhawker wrote: »...But seriously Shush....

    Big Chief wrote: ».........walking around with a greasy butt ain't no fun, though!

     


     

  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,662 Senior Member
    edited May 17 #78
    Dont'cha' know? Liberals NEVER acknowledge the truth, unless it benefits them in some way. Like most Libs, Alph would rather stick up for the terrorist sand-monkies than the REAL victims in this hell-hole.
    Your post speaks volumes. Your inability to see them as human beings is a huge part of the problem. As long as you can see them as not human it's easy to justify all sorts of mistreatment. The problem is humans or even monkeys or dogs for that matter when treated badly enough for long enough have a tendency to lash out and bite. Since you don't see them as human anyway, might as well continue with the analogy. Essentially Israel has a cage full of wild animals and they keep mistreating them and in return they keep getting bit.
    Yeah, and the zookeeper shouldn't get in the cage with the Hyenas. You're F***ing-A right. Terrorists are not human...they're animals, and until you wake the F*** up you will be having your balls and your head cut off in 20 or so years. Those are not innocent people, they're Hamas i.e. TERRORISTS. WT**** does it take for you dumbasses to see reality??
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,662 Senior Member
    edited May 17 #79
    bisley said:

    Dont'cha' know? Liberals NEVER acknowledge the truth, unless it benefits them in some way. Like most Libs, Alph would rather stick up for the terrorist sand-monkies than the REAL victims in this hell-hole.
    The line between 'liberals' and 'leftists' has become very blurred in recent years. Historically, liberals have leaned left to varying extents (for the last 5 decades, or so), but still hadn't completely crossed the line into preaching that conservatives are so evil as to be equated with the most vile of our declared enemies. Leftists, on the other hand, have always been hard-core opponents of individual freedom, and don't pull many punches when reviling those that you and I think of as 'normal' Americans.

    It's hard to pin them down, as either, because neither likes to debate the legitimacy of whatever their ideology is, or even to identify themselves with an ideology. It's almost like their ideology is just anything that tears at the unity of the nation, and anybody who disagrees with them is stupid.
    I classify the left into 4 different categories: Moderates (almost acceptable, like JFK), Liberals (Misguided and ignorant, like Jimmah Cahtah in 1976), Progressives (bordering on Communism & Fascism, like Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Clintons, Obama) Actual Communists and Facists( we know the history of these people). Alph probably fits into the Liberal category, a product of hippie-liberal parents, according to him in 2009...leftist but maybe salvageable at some point, but only after he gets whacked by a reality bat.
    I HAVE HATED COMMUNISTS EVEN BEFORE THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME TO LIBERALS AND PROGRESSIVES
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 23,295 Senior Member
    I saw all I needed to see of the 'Palestinians', a.k.a. assorted Arab people, on 9/11/2001. They were celebrating in the streets and passing out candy to all the good little terrorist boys and girls. Sorry, but I'm not sorry that I don't care about those people............And I use the word 'people' in its most nebulous term.



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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,990 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    I saw all I needed to see of the 'Palestinians', a.k.a. assorted Arab people, on 9/11/2001. They were celebrating in the streets and passing out candy to all the good little terrorist boys and girls. Sorry, but I'm not sorry that I don't care about those people............And I use the word 'people' in its most nebulous term.



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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,662 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    tennmike said:
    I saw all I needed to see of the 'Palestinians', a.k.a. assorted Arab people, on 9/11/2001. They were celebrating in the streets and passing out candy to all the good little terrorist boys and girls. Sorry, but I'm not sorry that I don't care about those people............And I use the word 'people' in its most nebulous term.



    Some people seem to forget or never paid attention.
    These pigs will NEVER get my sympathy!
    I HAVE HATED COMMUNISTS EVEN BEFORE THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME TO LIBERALS AND PROGRESSIVES
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,114 Senior Member
    Ha, don't call them animals like Trump did referring to MS-13 gang members........the left media got their panties in a wad over that..................they rape, kill .........one of their favorite methods is beating someone to death with baseball bats they spiked with nails.....................or hack them to death with machetes...............   they tried to backtrack and said they were human beings with some nonsense.


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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,114 Senior Member
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 23,295 Senior Member
    Big Chief said:
    The Left hates Trump in particular, and Conservatives in general, so much that they will embrace the worst of the worst and decry their plight to tear down the opposition. That is what comes from hating Trump and people who don't think like them, and hating their country because it isn't Socialist like Venezuela.
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  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,277 Senior Member
    If the Palestinians wanted peace there would be peace ...

    If the Israelis wanted war there would be no Palestinians ...

    Think about it ...
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,656 Senior Member
    As pointed out on one TV show, if 30,000 Palestinians showed up resisting and attempting a forced entry and 60 or so were killed, that number represents less than .01% casualties on their part.  The media are being used and seemingly enjoying it.  The math may be wrong, but you math whizes can figure it out.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 23,295 Senior Member
    Gene L said:
    As pointed out on one TV show, if 30,000 Palestinians showed up resisting and attempting a forced entry and 60 or so were killed, that number represents less than .01% casualties on their part.  The media are being used and seemingly enjoying it.  The math may be wrong, but you math whizes can figure it out.

    That would be 0.002%, not that it really matters.
    The thing that no one says anything about is that the video shot on the Palestinian side is shot by Palestinians paid and supplied with the video equipment to do it. Western journalists don't fare too well on that side of the border. Not like they wouldn't stage some shots to forward their narrative, or anything like that!
    I may be a Deplorable, but at least I'm not a Liberal!!!



  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,662 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    That would be 0.002%, not that it really matters.
    The thing that no one says anything about is that the video shot on the Palestinian side is shot by Palestinians paid and supplied with the video equipment to do it. Western journalists don't fare too well on that side of the border. Not like they wouldn't stage some shots to forward their narrative, or anything like that!
    Of course, those muslims use propaganda as well as the left in this country does.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,114 Senior Member
    edited May 21 #90
    HAMAS has confirmed that 50 of the 60 killed were HAMAS (Terrorist).

    Many were found with names and addresses of Jewish Kindergartners and were told to find and hang them.

    Our mainstream media has swallowed the bait, hook line and sinker!

    Some jerk-offs in a NY school decided it was a good idy to have a moment of silence for the HAMAS terrorist...........

    Not a matter of if, but when another terrorist attack will hit the West and those who don't take the threat seriously will look on incredulously as those who they championed and said were being mistreated are the culprits.................


    "A Hamas official on Wednesday acknowledged that 50 of the 62 Palestinians reported killed during Gaza border riots on Monday and Tuesday were members of the Islamist terrorist group, bringing the total number of known members of terror groups among the fatalities up to 53."

    “In the last rounds of confrontations, if 62 people were martyred, Fifty of the martyrs were Hamas and 12 from the people. How can Hamas reap the fruits if it pays such an expensive price?” said Hamas official Salah Bardawil in an interview with the Palestinian Baladna news outlet."

    Questioned about the figures by the presenter, Bardawil said they were “official.”




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