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  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    So....a prison-like atmosphere is the solution? We condition children from K-12 that metal detectors, armed guards, surveillance, etc. is NORMAL? This teaches kids they must rely on the State for their very lives. Those same kids will clamor for a full security state as adults. 



    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,920 Senior Member
    A common argument......soooo what is your solution?
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,625 Senior Member
    I would add, gun safety instruction in schools should be mandatory.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,738 Senior Member
    When I was in school, back in the 50s and 60s, there was no wandering the halls.  So a little regimentation never hurts anyone.  Times have changed a lot since then, and we have to respond to meet the threats.  Back then, you could get on an airplane with a gun; saw a guy with a M-N as I was flying home from California.  Nowadays, Atl airport runs 2 million people a day through metal detectors, so it can be done with 2000 students per school.
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,093 Senior Member
    Has anyone else noticed, after every one of the shootings, it comes to light that the shooter was "bullied"

    Working harder to prevent bullying would probably cut down on the incidence of shootings.

    I even saw one interview where that short haired female that kept showing up with Piglet, where she bragged about having bullied the shooter
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    Do we know for sure that bullying is a motivation???

    Or is just a ploy for defense or a convenient explanation to give reason to something beyond understanding???
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    A common argument......soooo what is your solution?
    Nothing will ever be 100% effective in public schools. The press could redact a shooter's name to remove the infamy.  

    Homeschooling is likely the only solution, albeit impractical for most parents. 
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    Gene L said:
    When I was in school, back in the 50s and 60s, there was no wandering the halls.  So a little regimentation never hurts anyone.  Times have changed a lot since then, and we have to respond to meet the threats.  Back then, you could get on an airplane with a gun; saw a guy with a M-N as I was flying home from California.  Nowadays, Atl airport runs 2 million people a day through metal detectors, so it can be done with 2000 students per school.
    TSA fails ~95% of the time when audited. They may be fast, but very ineffective. The screening becomes monotonous and stuff gets by.  

    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,093 Senior Member
    Do we know for sure that bullying is a motivation???

    Or is just a ploy for defense or a convenient explanation to give reason to something beyond understanding???
    I don't know anything for sure.

    I know the Texas shooter claimed he only shot the people he wanted to, and not the people he "liked"

    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    knitepoet said:
    Do we know for sure that bullying is a motivation???

    Or is just a ploy for defense or a convenient explanation to give reason to something beyond understanding???
    I don't know anything for sure.

    I know the Texas shooter claimed he only shot the people he wanted to, and not the people he "liked"

    After reading a book about a different murder, I've become sold on capitol punishment and won't be unhappy if Texas obliges him with final restitution.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,920 Senior Member
    knitepoet said:
    Has anyone else noticed, after every one of the shootings, it comes to light that the shooter was "bullied"

    Working harder to prevent bullying would probably cut down on the incidence of shootings.

    I even saw one interview where that short haired female that kept showing up with Piglet, where she bragged about having bullied the shooter
    There was a time when kids handled school bullies...generally, after a thorough ass-kicking,the bully got the message. Then we went into the "violence is bad" phase....where, when a kid stood up for himself, he was punished...because, well, violence is unacceptable.....We conditioned our kids in this concept so thoroughly, we have grown a generation of kids that won't fight, even to save their own lives.....where cowering under a desk waiting to be executed is actually an acceptable choice.....we need to teach our kids that sometimes, violence is the only option.
    We don't need to raise our kids to be violent people, but they sure as hell need to be people capable of violence
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    Only issue I see with metal detectors, scans, etc.. is that it would take 4 hours for a school load of kids to even get in the building in the morning.

    Jayhawker said:
    We had 2000+ employees that got to work on time every morning...
    All entering at the same time?
    Nuke power plants do the same thing that Jayhawker described. During construction, and during refueling outages we had 2,000+ people coming in for each 8-hour shift. Magnetometers and X-raying of all tool bags, brief cases, lunch boxes, women's purses, EVERYTHING. And it moved fast, even with the random patdown searches. It CAN be done; all it takes is the determination to make it work.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I agree, harden the school entry points with security, control access. Arm teachers who qualify and are ready willing and able to take that on. Have a plan and train.

    Of course, it will take a multilayered approach in schools and home with parents getting involved with their children. Doesn't help when like in FLA they knew that kid was gonna be trouble and the sheriffs office and the school board let him slide through the cracks over and over again.

    Something is bad wrong where they get to the mindset to do these evil things too. Where it starts and what contributes to it needs to be looked at closer, parenting, drugs prescribed to kids to correct a deficiency/condition real or imagined, violent computer games, social media.................................

    Some thought ought to be given to arming school bus drivers too. If they can't get into a school carrying a weapon, then how easy would it be to to just take a bus over and start firing? Probably have more causalities than classrooms have, what up to 60 or more passengers.

    And If the schools are a choke point, then school bus loading and unloading zones in front of the schools.........I've heard all of the possibilities discussed on TV. No easy solution.

    It's a shame we have gotten to this point to even have to think about all this and worry our children could get shot while at school of all places.

    World gone wrong on many levels. 

       
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