NASA head changes mind on Climate Change

alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior MemberPosts: 8,950 Senior Member

Since I always get crap for using "liberal" sources. Here's one that's about as right wing as you can get. Apparently when you take a Conservative congressman who's been a life long skeptic on climate change, take away his need for campaign donations from the oil industry and make him the head of a science organization that actually exposes him to real science, his skepticism fades quickly.
"Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,364 Senior Member
    Nobody in their right mind denounces climate change being an actual real thing. In case you didn't get the message, THE FREAKIN' CLIMATE ON THIS DIRTBALL HAS BEEN CHANGING FROM SCORCHING HOT TO FREEZING COLD WITH GLACIERS 'N' STUFF SINCE THIS DIRTBALL COOLED ENOUGH FOR WATER TO CONDENSE! AND AROUND 99.9% OF THOSE CLIMATE SWINGS HAPPENED BEFORE MAN EVER SHOWED UP ON THE PLANET! You DO realize that the Little Ice Age ended at around the time of the Civil War's end and that we are still warming up from that, right? You DO know when the Little Ice Age started and ended, right? From around 1300 to 1870 is the most agreed on date of start to finish.

    The question most people have about you alarmists is that of the degree of input humans have to it. WHEN and IF you get a climate model that predicts with 100% accuracy the input of the population on climate, and can prove that the variable Sun output and the Earth's weird orbit and axial gyrations are not the major inputs, then I might listen to your side. Until then, you're just being Chikkin Little and mistaking variable weather patterns as climate change.

    THAR'S GOLD IN THEM THAR CARBON CREDITS! JUST ASK AL 'THE BORE' GORE! HE'S MADE MILLIONS ON THAT SCAM! :D :D :D :D :D
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    Just another Republican establishment swamp dweller molting his skin to reveal the RINO beneath. He needs to stick to NASA's mission of Muslim outreach and leave climate change to his local TV affiliates' meteorologists who broadcast their predictions at 6 and 11. 

    NASA has to solve 2 problems - propulsion and artificial gravity. It takes too long to go anywhere beyond the moon, and we don't have that time anyway since our skeletons come apart with prolonged exposure to weightlessness. NASA needs to get our spaceships going much faster - closer to the speed of light, and under conditions that don't scramble our bones. Solve propulsion and artificial gravity and space travel is viable - even beyond our solar system. Don't solve them, and we ain't goin' nowhere. Neither are the Muslims.  
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,493 Senior Member
    edited June 2018 #4
    And yet they all still drive their gas guzzling cars, fly those private jets and take commercial airliners instead of a bus or train. The left is the king of "do as I say, not as I do". Oh well. Just more fake outrage.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,364 Senior Member
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,331 Senior Member
    When not-so-accu-weather can forecast more than 24 hours in advance with any accuracy I'll start believing what's going to happen in a hundred years predicted by the climate Nazis.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,493 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    And I suppose Alpha will blame the Roman Warming Period on  all those Roman chariots powered by two horsepower hay burning methane spewing engines.
    Here's some FACTUAL RECORDED INFO as opposed to 'We think' or 'we feel it suggests' crap.
    The last one is a bunch of climate graphs. Alpha likes graphs. :D




     Falls on deaf ears and eyes!
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 19,447 Senior Member
    I'm old enough to remember the screaming of "we're headed into another ice age, We'll have glaciers covering 1/2 of north america by the end of the century"

    When that didn't come to pass, they changed their tune.
    Whatever it takes to keep the $$$$$ rolling in to "save us" from the next great (manufactured) disaster
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,518 Senior Member
    I guess maybe after this guy, Jeff Sessions, Wray, Rosenstein, and essentially an endless list beyond that... can we all admit that Trump doesn't always appoint the brightest bulbs out there?
  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 1,057 Senior Member
    Call me selfish but I could give a **** less about what the climate does in the long run because I’ll be dead and gone. Not my problem. Those who survive me can deal with it.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 4,251 Senior Member
    MSNBC is reporting that experts say that the planetary crisis is a direct result of Trump's ostentatious rhetorical tweets.
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,433 Senior Member
    The guy who was the first to testify before congress 30 years ago, guy named Hanson, said recently he was wrong.  The sea levels have risen 7 mm (insignificant) instead of the several feet he predicted.  The climate has not warmed at the rate he predicted.  No islands have disappeared.  NY and Miami are still there.  Artic ice has shrunk but Antarctic has grown.  But hey, lots of people are getting rich on carbon credits.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 20,812 Senior Member
    BAMAAK said:
    NY and Miami are still there.
    How unfortunate...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,781 Senior Member

    Since I always get crap for using "liberal" sources. Here's one that's about as right wing as you can get. Apparently when you take a Conservative congressman who's been a life long skeptic on climate change, take away his need for campaign donations from the oil industry and make him the head of a science organization that actually exposes him to real science, his skepticism fades quickly.
    Maybe it's one of those Machiavellian plans of Donald Trump to manipulate the wild-eyed lefty members of Congress to fund his space plan.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,364 Senior Member
    I always note that the Loony Left 'scientists' fail to disclose the volcanic activity under the Antarctic ice sheet. Last time I checked lava can melt ice, unless the laws of thermodynamics took LSD.

    Here's some links to info on the volcanic activity and the geothermally heated lakes under the Antarctic Ice sheet. Funny that Alpha never seems to mention such things with his gloom and doom carefully selected info that only reinforces the 'people cause ALL the global warming and we're all gonna die!" narrative. Can't scare the feces out of people if you tell them the real TRUTH about why some stuff happens. Anybody remember the temperature drop that lasted a while after Mt. St. Helens blew up like a 100 megaton underground blast?

    Anyway, here's the links to volcanic and geothermal activity under the Antarctic ice sheet for anyone so inclined to click the links. Knowledge is power of light against the darkness of ignorance!

    https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/volcano-antarctic-ice-melting-pine-island-glacier-sea-level-climate-change-global-warming-a8423131.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/12/scientists-discover-91-volcanos-antarctica

    https://nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=295861

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/11/08/massive-heat-source-was-just-discovered-under-antarctica-driving-melting-volcanism/#337c75c346dc

    Bonus material. There is some good video of the volcanic activity in the general link I used to find this stuff. Enjoy!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=volcanic+activity+under+antarctic+ice+sheet&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b



    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,364 Senior Member
    STOP IT!!!  We can control the earth if we put enough tax dollars behind it!!!!!!  Freaking old curmudgeons...  Us young people have all the answers and we will save the earth from ALL your mistakes, and THAT is a brand new concept that has never occurred to anyone before. 😖😡
    Facts is facts. Sometimes they're butt ugly, and sometimes beautiful, but the facts are just the truth, and you can't make them be anything else. Hiding them in the closet like folk used to do with their insane relatives doesn't make them any less true, or the relatives less crazy.

    Wanna stop global warming? Then either move the Earth further from the Sun, or put up a big reflector between the Sun and the Earth, something like a giant solar sail. Won't do anything to mitigate volcanic activity, or the ocean currents going walkabout and making the ocean surface temps warmer or cooler (the TRUE climate driver on planet Earth........ El Nino and La Nina in the Pacific is one example) and causing a temperature shift that either bakes us, freezes us, and causes all kinds of nasty weather like floods, hurricanes, tornadoes and other fun stuff.

    I'll take reading about the geologic history of the Earth, and the present ongoing conditions like volcanic activity and ocean current shifts, any day over heated rhetoric and people with obvious ulterior motives trying to make millions off the ignorant superstitious and easily led masses.

    Back a few years ago when sunspot activity had peaked and the Earth was getting a little warmer and the polar ice was melting from increased solar radiation, the polar ice on Mars were ALSO melting. I guess the Earth's 'global warming' caused the Mars ice caps to melt, too! :D :D :D :D :D

    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,493 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #17
    Alpha? No response? BTW...I lol'd at your "real science" inclusion.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,781 Senior Member
    You guys just don't have the right lens to look through.
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,493 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #19
    bisley said:
    You guys just don't have the right lens to look through.

    Apparently not. I like my vision to be clear. Not dictated or clouded. 

    Although too much beer gives me google eyes when posting on the forum sometimes... :smiley:
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,950 Senior Member
    Michakav said:
    Alpha? No response? BTW...I lol'd at your "real science" inclusion.
    No response necessary. Nothing to debate. Just pointing out something I found interesting and then enjoying reading what kinds of crazy excuses people would come up with. 
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,752 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    Nobody in their right mind denounces climate change being an actual real thing. In case you didn't get the message, THE FREAKIN' CLIMATE ON THIS DIRTBALL HAS BEEN CHANGING FROM SCORCHING HOT TO FREEZING COLD WITH GLACIERS 'N' STUFF SINCE THIS DIRTBALL COOLED ENOUGH FOR WATER TO CONDENSE! AND AROUND 99.9% OF THOSE CLIMATE SWINGS HAPPENED BEFORE MAN EVER SHOWED UP ON THE PLANET! You DO realize that the Little Ice Age ended at around the time of the Civil War's end and that we are still warming up from that, right? You DO know when the Little Ice Age started and ended, right? From around 1300 to 1870 is the most agreed on date of start to finish.

    The question most people have about you alarmists is that of the degree of input humans have to it. WHEN and IF you get a climate model that predicts with 100% accuracy the input of the population on climate, and can prove that the variable Sun output and the Earth's weird orbit and axial gyrations are not the major inputs, then I might listen to your side. Until then, you're just being Chikkin Little and mistaking variable weather patterns as climate change.

    THAR'S GOLD IN THEM THAR CARBON CREDITS! JUST ASK AL 'THE BORE' GORE! HE'S MADE MILLIONS ON THAT SCAM! :D :D :D :D :D

    Climate change is absolutely REAL and has been since the earth acquired an atmosphere. Is it a threat to the human race? Of course! It has wiped out many other species. Can we prevent it? No.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 20,812 Senior Member
    Then there's that giant asteroid/meteor that's headed our way...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,752 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #23

    tennmike said:
    I always note that the Loony Left 'scientists' fail to disclose the volcanic activity under the Antarctic ice sheet. Last time I checked lava can melt ice, unless the laws of thermodynamics took LSD.

    Here's some links to info on the volcanic activity and the geothermally heated lakes under the Antarctic Ice sheet. Funny that Alpha never seems to mention such things with his gloom and doom carefully selected info that only reinforces the 'people cause ALL the global warming and we're all gonna die!" narrative. Can't scare the feces out of people if you tell them the real TRUTH about why some stuff happens. Anybody remember the temperature drop that lasted a while after Mt. St. Helens blew up like a 100 megaton underground blast?

    Anyway, here's the links to volcanic and geothermal activity under the Antarctic ice sheet for anyone so inclined to click the links. Knowledge is power of light against the darkness of ignorance!

    https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/volcano-antarctic-ice-melting-pine-island-glacier-sea-level-climate-change-global-warming-a8423131.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/12/scientists-discover-91-volcanos-antarctica

    https://nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=295861

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/11/08/massive-heat-source-was-just-discovered-under-antarctica-driving-melting-volcanism/#337c75c346dc

    Bonus material. There is some good video of the volcanic activity in the general link I used to find this stuff. Enjoy!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=volcanic+activity+under+antarctic+ice+sheet&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b



    I spent many hours up close and personal with Mt St Helens pre, during, and post eruption from 28 Mar 1980 until I transferred out of the 1042nd Military Intelligence Company Aerial Surveillance (MICAS) 12 Dec 1983. Earthquakes under the mountain had been detected for a couple weeks when on 27 March an airline pilot reported "smoke" from the mountain. My Army National Guard unit based in Salem, Oregon received a request from U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) to check it out. Early the next morning I was flying up there as an Aerial Sensor Specialist. Yes I was an (ASS). In a OV-1D Mohawk like the one in my avatar. We were orbiting the mountain when a "small" ash plume shot a few hundred feet straight up! I keyed my mike and exclaimed "Thar she blows" while flipping the aircraft camera switch. By the time I got a couple shots with my cheapo Kodak pocket camera the ash was rolling down the mountain top but still visible. During the main eruption on May 18th the huge ash cloud blew East blocking out the sun. I recall the temperature in Yakima Washington was reported dropping to 40F or lower on a mid May afternoon.    

  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,493 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #24
    Michakav said:
    Alpha? No response? BTW...I lol'd at your "real science" inclusion.
    No response necessary. Nothing to debate. Just pointing out something I found interesting and then enjoying reading what kinds of crazy excuses people would come up with. 

    How did I know that would be your response. Only thing interesting about it is that another got brainwashed into the "chicken little" syndrome. But that's not really surprising. Keep enjoying your "real science". None of it really matters anyway. We will destroy ourselves long before the mother earth decides to purge us. Which will happen sooner or later no matter what we do.
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,493 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    Then there's that giant asteroid/meteor that's headed our way...

    That will be next. It has to wait it's turn.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,331 Senior Member
    Michakav said:
    Alpha? No response? BTW...I lol'd at your "real science" inclusion.
    No response necessary. Nothing to debate. Just pointing out something I found interesting and then enjoying reading what kinds of crazy excuses people would come up with
    There he finally admitted he's pulling chains around here. I'm finished with getting annoyed with the dumbass memes, and I suggest not even responding to them anymore.....what then, more charts and graphs?
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #27
    FYI - The pack ice that melted away in the Arctic Ocean in 2017, and caused the eco-chondriacs to go postal, is back again. Practically the whole ocean is frozen over. The more things change, the more they stay the same.  
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,364 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 said:

    I spent many hours up close and personal with Mt St Helens pre, during, and post eruption from 28 Mar 1980 until I transferred out of the 1042nd Military Intelligence Company Aerial Surveillance (MICAS) 12 Dec 1983. Earthquakes under the mountain had been detected for a couple weeks when on 27 March an airline pilot reported "smoke" from the mountain. My Army National Guard unit based in Salem, Oregon received a request from U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) to check it out. Early the next morning I was flying up there as an Aerial Sensor Specialist. Yes I was an (ASS). In a OV-1D Mohawk like the one in my avatar. We were orbiting the mountain when a "small" ash plume shot a few hundred feet straight up! I keyed my mike and exclaimed "Thar she blows" while flipping the aircraft camera switch. By the time I got a couple shots with my cheapo Kodak pocket camera the ash was rolling down the mountain top but still visible. During the main eruption on May 18th the huge ash cloud blew East blocking out the sun. I recall the temperature in Yakima Washington was reported dropping to 40F or lower on a mid May afternoon.    

    I was in the middle of nowhere in the wilds of North Dakota with a couple of guys from the R&D shop of the farm equipment manufacturer we worked for doing major repairs on equipment at a farm equipment dealers place, and showing them how to properly assemble a three section 36 foot wide disc harrow, among other implements. When the mountain let go we were stuck there in the middle of nowhere for a lot longer than we intended. The ash cloud was pretty nasty. Boredom set in pretty quick, and it DID get cooler while we were there. And NO TV, just intermittent radio; that ash sure messed up the radio and TV transmissions.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,331 Senior Member
    I think he does bring good subjects of discussion every once in a while and he has given me some points to ponder.  I think he is pretty closed minded and he dismisses anything he reads here as “crazy” old coots talk.  But then again he is the poster child of many in his generation.  
    Hes a smart young man and I’d love to be around in 40 years when he has had the benefit of a lifetime of experience under his belt and see what he thinks then of the 30 year old whipoersnappers calling him “crazy”.  Hey my first vote at 18 was for the socialist party.  Nature will take its course with him too.
    You know the old saying: if you're 20 and not a liberal, you're heartless....if you're 50 and not a conservative, you're stupid. I just get tired of the arrogance and know it all attitude displayed by many liberals.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,752 Senior Member
    Michakav said:
    Alpha? No response? BTW...I lol'd at your "real science" inclusion.
    No response necessary. Nothing to debate. Just pointing out something I found interesting and then enjoying reading what kinds of crazy excuses people would come up with
    There he finally admitted he's pulling chains around here. I'm finished with getting annoyed with the dumbass memes, and I suggest not even responding to them anymore.....what then, more charts and graphs?
    I think he does bring good subjects of discussion every once in a while and he has given me some points to ponder.  I think he is pretty closed minded and he dismisses anything he reads here as “crazy” old coots talk.  But then again he is the poster child of many in his generation.  
    Hes a smart young man and I’d love to be around in 40 years when he has had the benefit of a lifetime of experience under his belt and see what he thinks then of the 30 year old whipoersnappers calling him “crazy”.  Hey my first vote at 18 was for the socialist party.  Nature will take its course with him too.

    When 18 year olds got the right to vote on 01 July 1971 I had just turned 19. I decided to register Independent until I learned (in my state) they could not vote in primaries. I literally flipped a coin and it came up R. I don't regret it. It pretty much worked with R's and D's being able to (most times) intelligently discuss their political differences until 09 Nov 2016 when apparently most of the D's went "Bat scat" totally brain washed insane.   
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,950 Senior Member
    Michakav said:
    Alpha? No response? BTW...I lol'd at your "real science" inclusion.
    No response necessary. Nothing to debate. Just pointing out something I found interesting and then enjoying reading what kinds of crazy excuses people would come up with
    There he finally admitted he's pulling chains around here. I'm finished with getting annoyed with the dumbass memes, and I suggest not even responding to them anymore.....what then, more charts and graphs?
    I think he does bring good subjects of discussion every once in a while and he has given me some points to ponder.  I think he is pretty closed minded and he dismisses anything he reads here as “crazy” old coots talk.  But then again he is the poster child of many in his generation.  
    Hes a smart young man and I’d love to be around in 40 years when he has had the benefit of a lifetime of experience under his belt and see what he thinks then of the 30 year old whipoersnappers calling him “crazy”.  Hey my first vote at 18 was for the socialist party.  Nature will take its course with him too.
    Every generation wants to make their mark on history, fixing the mistakes made by those who came before. And then as they get older every generation wants to preserve the changes they have made and try to prevent the upcoming generation from making society their own. In short this is why conservatives are generally focused on taking us back to 1980 and liberals are focused on moving us forward to 2050.  
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
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