358 Winchester

MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior MemberPosts: 4,422 Senior Member
Who all is shooting a 358? I know Jerry has one, I think Zee? Maybe Big Al?

What is everyone's general opinion on the little medium bore? 

I have some brass (and a few hundred 308 brass), and all of my .358" bullets are in the 180-220 range. Wondering if I'd be served just as well with a 358 vs a 35 Whelen (which I have a barrel for, but no dies or brass but 30-06 brass isn't exactly rare). 

You guys that load for it, are you using book loads or pushing it? John Barsness did a test on it in 2008 and pushed it to 308 psi and basically got about 95% of the performance of the Whelen, thinks the factory 358 ammo was downloaded for the Model 88 and Model 100. 
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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,092 Senior Member
    I've done a little handloading for mine, but will probably use 200 grain Winchester Silver Tip factory ammo this year.  The rifle handles those loads pretty well, giving me just over an inch 3 shot group at 100 yards.  I can live with that.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,207 Senior Member
    I have a 1955 M-70 i bought new in 1960, i have no idea how many head of game iv'e killed using it for over 55 years, I have carried this gun thru the states, Canada, & Alaska. When Sierra came out with there 225 SBT i started using it and since then its the only bullet i load and its never failed on anything i ever shot. I do agree that Win. down loaded it for the M-88 & 100 although i dont think the 100 was ever chambered for it, my load is quite a bit hotter than any book load, but i have never had any signs of hi pressure. My load is W-W cases, Sierra 225 sbt, Federal 210M primer, & 51 gr, IMR 4895 for a chroned velocity of 2559 fps, this out of a 22" bbl. when i first started working up loads i tried IMR 3031 & 4064 but did not get the accuracy or velocity i got with 4895, accuracy is 1" - 1 1/4" for 5 rounds @ 100yds. with a Bushnell 1.5 - 4.5 X 20MM scope. I dont know what rifle you have but if you dont have a Win. or Ruger bolt gun i would stick to book loadings. Hope this helps. 

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,092 Senior Member

    The model 88 can handle the higher pressures, as it's essentially a bolt action in a lever configuration.  The problem, though, is in the extraction.  The lever is simply not as strong as a bolt when it comes to that.  I have experienced this with my 88s.

    Savage also offered the 358 in the 99.  I don't know how the 99 stacks up against bolt rifles when it comes to the pressure they can handle.

    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 6,698 Senior Member
    I don't have anything in .35! Thanks for reminding me, now I have something to hunt for when I up in Wisconsin!
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,332 Senior Member
    Pretty much anything .308 case based (except the 7-08) I like. So, I love my two .358 Wins.  An Encore rifle w/24” barrel and pistol w/13”barrel. 

    I’ve only handloaded 200gr FTX and RN bullets so far. 

    I save the 225s for my .338 WM and the 250s for my Whelen. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,422 Senior Member
    Big Al I  mixed up you and Jay! 
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    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,422 Senior Member
    Jerry, yea that is what I had read. It is not the pressure itself, its the extraction issue. Some authors said that might be a part of why it never really caught on. 

    Jay, it would be a M70. Thanks for the tip on the 4895, I'll have to check to see if I have some. I have plenty of 4064, might be a little short on 4895, can't remember. 

    Zee, what were you seeing from the 24" with those 200's?
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    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,332 Senior Member
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,207 Senior Member


    Savage also offered the 358 in the 99.  I don't know how the 99 stacks up against bolt rifles when it comes to the pressure they can handle.


    The first .358 i owned was a 1959 savage 99EG, back then i was just starting to handload, the only bullet i used was the Speer 250gr. spitzer, i no longer have any load data but i'm sure i used IMR 3031 and BLC, I do remember that when i got to Speer's max extraction was a little hard, FWIW it had a 2 3/4 Kollmorgen Bear cub with a post reticle, it was a great rifle.


    JAY 

    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
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