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Black bear hit by arrow mauls hunter before dying, reports say

Big ChiefBig Chief Senior MemberPosts: 32,995 Senior Member
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Hey is there '5 second rule' like for dropped food for bears shot with arrows, but maybe a 5 minute rule instead.


    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    Man, when I shot my bear with the flintlock, I KNEW it was a good hit from the feedback my friend passed me, and we still gave that thing like 30 minutes before even starting to blood trail.  If you suspect a marginal hit, give it more time and bring out a shotgun with slugs before going in.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,463 Senior Member
    I always delay pursuit after a muzzleloader shot. Takes a bit for my clumsy shaking hands to reload anyway. Plus, elk have a bad habbit of running after being hit, and I want a calm analyse of direction.

    Regs here let me carry and use a sidearm during September bear season. But I was still apprehensive about using the caplock. As it turned out, a tag was excellent bear repellent.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    I learned long ago to wait a while before approaching any shot big game animal, even a bang flop hit on a deer.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,206 Senior Member
    When I approach any animal that I have hunted and shot, I always walk as slowly and quietly towards it prepared for any eventuality and study it carefully before relaxing,

    Interesting story. A few years back while on patrol in the balloted hunting blocks, a hunter staggered out of the trees in front of my jeep looking bedraggled and very much the worse for wear.
    He related how he had seen a large fallow buck step out in front of him at very short range so he sent a 150gr 270 cal bullet on its way  which dropped the buck on the spot. He was so elated with his luck he ran over, dragged his camera out, draped his pack and rifle over the bucks antlers and stood back to get a pic.
    The buck woke up, staggered to its feet and started to head for parts unknown. The hunter managed to grab an antler but had to let go after a few yards. He ran after the buck following its trail by the litter of gear falling out of his pack but eventually lost the trail. He never recovered his rifle which is still somewhere in the block.
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,463 Senior Member
    I hope Snake don't read this.😋
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,894 Senior Member
    A bunch of years back, I ran the boat up a creek to the chain-link fence at the edge of the Base.
    While walking in to where I was going to take a stand, a doe and a spike buck came down the
    other side of the fence; so, I stuck the barrel of shotgun loaded with mandatory buckshot
    through the fence and did a texas heart shot on the buck.


    I watched the deer for a spell and determined the deer was dead, so, I went back to the
    boat at the end of the fence and got a rope and left the shotgun in the boat. When I got back 
    to the deer  and was dropping a lasso around the neck, he lifted his head.


    I said-------you know what I said and took off running and ran around a nearby tree a couple
    of times and watched the deer. He laid back down; so, I unraveled the rope and dragged
    the deer out-----I probably strangled it since it was dead when I got to the boat.

    Since then, after the appropriate time, I move in carefully and shoot it again where the head
     joins the neck and never leave the gun behind.

  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Dang Ned, that will teach them deer not to mess around with The Durango Kid.

    You looked much younger back then..................




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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    I actually leave the deer alone for a while to improve the quality of the meat and I keep my sights on it in case it does get up. It's easier to put an accurate round into it from a stand and already aiming than while walking and surprised.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,463 Senior Member
    NN said:
    never leave the gun behind.

    And always throw a wide loop. 
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,871 Senior Member
    Im using a 375 and im still going to wait if I shoot one
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    cpj said:
    I actually leave the deer alone for a while to improve the quality of the meat...
    You can’t prove that. In  order to prove it, you’d have to kill and eat the exact same deer, twice. 

    When I read about the concept as a kid in the early 70's it made a lot of sense and it still does. It's kind of like the concept of poop tasting bad without actually tasting some. Do you know if poop really tastes bad?
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    I don't think that you fully understand the concept. It has little to do with an animal running. When an animal is hit by a projectile, it doesn't really know what just happened. The brain is the last thing to stop and a spine or other debilitating hit doesn't shut down the brain unless you get a head shot that frags the brain. When an animal gets hit and knocked down by a projectile, it's confused and if left alone will expire in a more relaxed state. Even if the deer is knocked down on the shot and presumed dead, the brain and even the muscles are still powered by the remaining oxygen in the blood. If a hunter runs up to the animal while the brain is still ticking, it may not be able to jump up and run but it can damn sure pump it's muscles full of adrenaline which will make the meat tougher and gamey tasting. I'm all for any little thing that will improve the quality of what I eat. To me, this makes sense. Are you sure poop tastes bad?
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,463 Senior Member
    edited August 2018 #15
    Ive often wondered about this very same thing. It does seem that confirmation and denial are beyond reach or at least subjective. Maybe one of those, best to error on the side of caution things???

    On the other hand, have you ever heard any gruesome slaughter house stories????
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member


    Ive often wondered about this very same thing. It does seem that confirmation and denial are beyond reach or at least subjective. Maybe one of those, best to error on the side of caution things???

    On the other hand, have you ever heard any gruesome slaughter house stories????

    My dad's first job when my parents came to the US was at Patrick Cudahy Meats where he killed pigs and cows. When I went to school in Madison I had several friends that had worked at Oscar Meyer when they slaughtered animals at the Madison plant and had heard countless stories about that place. The one commonality between my dad's stories and my friends stories was that they always wanted the animals to be calm and relaxed on their way to slaughter. They felt that the quality of the product was better if the animals were relaxed.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,206 Senior Member
    Adrenaline is the body's activator, and is released in response to anxiety, exercise, or fear. This is the basis of the so-called 'fight-or-flight' reaction. ... Fright causes the brain to send signals to the renal glands which start pumping large amounts of adrenalin into the bloodstream.

    The fight or flight process takes 20 minutes. You will need a 20 minute respite to completely calm down physiologically! If the stressful situation remains, your heart rate will remain elevated, and your body will pump out adrenaline and your thinking will be clouded.

    Two minutes searching the net brought up the above facts.

    I am not saying who is right or wrong...........or righter or wronger, but it seems to me that once adrenaline commences to be produced, it will continue being produced if the cause is not removed,

    Therefore if a deer is shot and doesnt expire immediately the pain/wound/trauma will continue to produce it and disperse it throughout the animal until the heart stops pumping......
    I think if I was shot, my body would continue to produce it until the pain goes away, why would a deer be any different?

    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,560 Senior Member

    When I read about the concept as a kid in the early 70's it made a lot of sense and it still does. It's kind of like the concept of poop tasting bad without actually tasting some. Do you know if poop really tastes bad?
    Yes, poop does taste bad.  I spent 2 months working in a waste water treatment plant.  They used to press and then incinerate the waste after treatment.  Everything in the facility that wasnt wet was covered in a fine brownish dust.  I am sure you can all figure out what this dust was.  Anyone that has spent much time in construction knows that dust will eventually get everywhere on you given enough exposure to it.  Poop does not smell or taste very good in a compressed, dried, and fine powder form.  SO yes, poop does in fact taste bad unless you like that kind of taste of course, which I do not.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,894 Senior Member
    Following this thread and after serious consideration, I have come to a conclusion: 
    " it should be illegal to shoot a game animal anywhere except the
    brain".


    Good luck with that.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    I guess the concept about letting animals expire peacefully is more theory than hard and fast law but it's a practice that I adopted as a teen and I think it contributes to better tasting game. I've read the info about adrenaline production but the application to game like deer is also part assumption as they don't address weather animals can go into shock like a human or if if they produce endorphins which can block the sensation of pain. There are numerous documented cases of people having been shot and not even realizing it and I'm not sure if deer are laying there in terror and excruciating pain after being shot.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,804 Senior Member
    cpj said:

    ...And yes, I do know poop tastes bad. Why? Taste and smell  go hand in hand. If it smells bad, it ain’t gonna taste good. I.E rotted fish, dead possums, liver, Limburger cheese. 
    Using your own guidelines, you will have to define what makes the taste a bad one, and then taste it, yourself. That is your assignment. I'm sure that in time, if you will allow me to help you, we can arrive at some sort of scientific validity.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    How come when you open a can of pineapple juice, it briefly smells like someone farted but it doesn't taste like poop?
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,463 Senior Member
    Im still wondering how come when I wake up from napping in the woods in time for a visit from bears, my boxers didn't smell like poop? 😮
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,804 Senior Member
    cpj said:
    bisley said:
    cpj said:

    ...And yes, I do know poop tastes bad. Why? Taste and smell  go hand in hand. If it smells bad, it ain’t gonna taste good. I.E rotted fish, dead possums, liver, Limburger cheese. 
    Using your own guidelines, you will have to define what makes the taste a bad one, and then taste it, yourself. That is your assignment. I'm sure that in time, if you will allow me to help you, we can arrive at some sort of scientific validity.
    My guidelines state that if it smells bad, it tastes bad. Since I’ve never been around poop that smells good, it’s  my opinion all poop would taste bad. 
    Not a chance I want it need your help to make a decision. Old man poop smells really bad. I do a fair amount of work in nursing homes, so I have a good knowledge base to work from....old man poop is bad. Granted there IS some bias, because it’s not just bathrooms that smell of poop. It’s pawpaw walking down the hall leaving a trail of funk in his wake. But it’s fair to say it wouldn’t taste good. 
    Confirmation bias. You have been to a rest home and noticed that the predominant odor was ****. So you assume that an old man did it, not realizing that 3/4 of the inhabitants were female. Then you go through the rest of life believing that, until your kids park you in one, and you discover that 90 yo women contribute as much as the men, and that you dislike the place even more than the people who visit you there.


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