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bellcatbellcat Senior MemberPosts: 2,040 Senior Member
I'm fairly new to EDC.   Im a teacher so I can't carry at school. (stupid). I finished reading the thread on insurance for carrying and it certainly concerns me.   Like anybody, I don't want to end up in litigation when I'm trying to protect myself, family, etc.

Let's say I'm legally carrying in a C-store.  A pistol armed perp attempts a robbery and I wield my weapon and he runs away.  

Is anybody going to hassle me?     

If I shoot the perp, now who is going to hassle/press charges etc?

Once again, I'm new to carrying.   I've taken classes but I didn't feel we got enough into the exact situations where you may find yourself in court.    We were instructed to call attorney immediately if you even wield the weapon.

Any input would be great.

Mark
"Kindness is the language the deaf can hear and the blind can see." Mark Twain

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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    You'd be interviewed be responding LEOs.

    That initial contact is where you're facing potential danger. Empty hands and careful attentive compliance may be crucial.

    IMO, your butt's in the breeze. Knowing ahead of time exactly what circumstances you're willing to give armed response and exactly what circumstances you're not willing to give armed response is pretty darn important.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,161 Senior Member
    edited September 2018 #3
    You are not a cop....Never, ever, get into a gunfight over someone else's money. Not your circus, not your monkeys.
    Up until someone's (including your own) life is threatened best to stay out of it and be a good witness for the cops....
    Attempting to intervene may start a series of events that have a distinct possibility of going sideways quickly and completely out of control...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 2,122 Senior Member
    Even in a case of what we all here would consider a justified shooting in self defense, the laws vary greatly by state.  Even in a state with good self defense laws there are DA's with political axes to grind.  To me, having pre-arranged legal assistance only a phone call away just makes too much sense to not do it.  At less than $40 a month it is just a little extra peace of mind.  I look at it the same way as car, fire or home insurance.....a necessary evil that I hope to never have to use.  Just like I hope that all the money I spend on handguns, holsters, ammunition for practice, etc. turns out to be a waste of money in the end.  If I never need to pull my gun in self defense I will be a happy man despite all the money I have spent preparing to if needed.

  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 25,090 Senior Member
    Yep, its costing me about $28/mo.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • Ken_S_LaTransKen_S_LaTrans Posts: 108 Member
    Why would you "wield" your gun anyway?

    Seriously.  Are you a....gasp....Sheepdog?

    More importantly, other than the state mandated CCW course which is little more than a gun safety seminar with minimal live fire (or not), do you have any specific training in threat management or combative shooting that would actually make you competent to not only defend yourself, but not get the clerk or other customers killed when you yank that Roscoe?

    Do you have any ownership position in the store which makes a monetary loss your loss to absorb, and the health and welfare of the employees your responsibility?

    Are you willing to risk, or increase the risk to you or your family in order to defend the above mentioned store in which you don't have any stake whatsoever?

    See what I am getting at here?

    You are not there to defend anyone but yourself or your family.  You need to keep that Roscoe in its holster unless and until you are pretty freakin sure YOU are the one who is immediate and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm and that "being a good witness" is not the best option.

    No one is going to pin a medal on you for playing crime stopper.  The corporation that owns the store won't even give you a cup of coffee, let alone some sort of reward.  The only accolades you will get will be a thread on an internet forum about "one for the good guys", or more likely getting shredded for bad tactics by other amateurs who have never survived a first-person-shooter video game, let alone a lethal force encounter.


    ONLY THE INFERIOR CRY FOR EQUALITY
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,161 Senior Member
    So does that insurance work when you do something stupid? I mean, when you violate the reasonable man rule - "
    Given the same set of circumstances, what would a reasonable person have done?"
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    In North Carolina ... basically you may act to protect people not property so while it pretty much an easy step from a robber pulling a gun on the clerk to see threat to life you and likely the end result would be nothing.

    As to me if the is no eminent threat to me other my family ... I might be a good witness but if it ain’t fight I ain’t getting in it.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,161 Senior Member
    cpj said:
    Roscoe? We back in 1932 now?
    I prefer " heater" or " gat"...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 2,122 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    So does that insurance work when you do something stupid? I mean, when you violate the reasonable man rule - "
    Given the same set of circumstances, what would a reasonable person have done?"
    Depends on the insurance you buy.  NRA Carry Guard?  No.  With that policy you have to foot the defense bill out of pocket and then they reimburse up to a set amount only if you beat the charge.  U.S. Law Shield will defend you regardless, with nothing out of pocket and no monetary limits.......whether they successfully defend you or not depends on just how stupid the thing you did was.
  • Ken_S_LaTransKen_S_LaTrans Posts: 108 Member
    edited October 2018 #11
    cpj said:
    Roscoe? We back in 1932 now?
    I am bringing Roscoe back.  Like hip, groovy, bomb, and bitchin.  You say tomato, ..
    ONLY THE INFERIOR CRY FOR EQUALITY
  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 4,398 Senior Member
    I try to pay attention to what is said & not how it is said.
    I do have to admit that reading things on here some times makes me smile.
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,746 Senior Member
    I am bringing Roscoe back.  Like hip, groovy, bomb, and bitchin.  You say tomato, I say f^&# you..
    I'm bringing back Shooting Iron!

    Somehow, Smoke Pole, Saturday Night Special, Long Tom or Horse Pistol just don't seem kosher anymore. Language being what it is today.

    — but as Sigmund Freud supposedly said, “sometimes a cigar’s merely a cigar.:D
    http://www.gunsandammo.com/blogs/history-books/firearms-nicknames/



    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • Ken_S_LaTransKen_S_LaTrans Posts: 108 Member
    Spk said:
    I am bringing Roscoe back.  Like hip, groovy, bomb, and bitchin.  You say tomato, I say f^&# you..
    I'm bringing back Shooting Iron!

    Somehow, Smoke Pole, Saturday Night Special, Long Tom or Horse Pistol just don't seem kosher anymore. Language being what it is today.

    — but as Sigmund Freud supposedly said, “sometimes a cigar’s merely a cigar.:D
    http://www.gunsandammo.com/blogs/history-books/firearms-nicknames/



    Smoke Wagon is a good alternative.  My Pap used to call his Pre-WWII Model 10 M&P his Roscoe, or just Roscoe.
    ONLY THE INFERIOR CRY FOR EQUALITY
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,746 Senior Member
    "Possum on a Gumbush!!!" -- Speaking of Roscoe.

    They don't make shows like this anymore.

    Now that's Tactical..... How could you possibly shoot back!!! :D
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    State laws being so different, it's best to know your state's laws on justifiable use of deadly force. And Wambli's good suggestion of booking an attorney's time for an hour to get real legal advice is a good one, too. KNOW that you KNOW what you KNOW about your state's laws on justifiable deadly force.

    If it's just a robbery in a store where no one is being actively threatened with being shot, or shots already fired, it's better to just leave it holstered. With cell phones everywhere now, using your non shooting hand to shoot some video of the robbery in progress would be good. The cops will appreciate any video of the robber(s) to help identify them.

    The problem with your scenario I can see is that if you draw your firearm and confront the robber, that act in itself may initiate a shootout. The robber(s) is already wound up on adrenaline so threatening him with your firearm might be all that is required to set him off.
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  • bellcatbellcat Senior Member Posts: 2,040 Senior Member
    Thanks, my scenario wasn’t too good. My life was not being threatened and I have no urge to be a hero. A lot of good advice.
    "Kindness is the language the deaf can hear and the blind can see." Mark Twain
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,642 Senior Member
    I would be interested in hearing a report on a lawyer explaining the statute as it's written.  You can read it yourself, but a lawyer can possibly quote case law examples.  A lawyer has to react to specifics, not to generalities.   He will always take the path of least resistance.  If in the OP, he'll tell you to get the hell out of there or not take any action.  That's the safest action to take and the most defensible. State laws vary per state, but GENERALLY allow you to protect yourself and your family from bodily harm.  Doesn't mean you can act as a vigilante.  If you decide to do so, then it's down to you to prove your intent. 
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
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