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• knitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,306 Senior Member

  November 2018 #2

  I'm surprised the newly elected aren't promising gun control measures yet
  

  Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.
  
  
  

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• zorba Senior Member Posts: 23,860 Senior Member

  November 2018 #3

  The governor elect, "Gruesome" is the author and driving force of 2016's "Gunmageddon" legislation.
  

  -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"
  
  "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  

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• Big Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member

  November 2018 #4

  My thoughts and prayers go out the the victims and their families

  It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
  Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
  I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!

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• Gene L Senior Member Posts: 11,826 Senior Member

  November 2018 #5

  I'm surprised this topic hasn't drawn more response.  A tragedy that will lead to more gun control.  I heard somewhere that there were several cops in the audience, but they were unarmed.  I wonder why?  If some of them, or anyone else, had been armed, the death count could have been  a lot less
  

  Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  

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• Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,078 Senior Member

  November 2018 #6

  Several under 21 years old were shot.
  No Ar15 was used. 

  Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5

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• Big Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member

  November 2018 #7

  "Illegal" hi-cap mags were used........CA.......was it a Glock with those extended mags or just over 10 rds?
  

  It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
  Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
  I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!

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• coolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,611 Senior Member

  November 2018 #8

  Big Chief said:

  "Illegal" hi-cap mags were used........CA.......was it a Glock with those extended mags or just over 10 rds?
  

  One report I heard used "extended" the rest have all been "illegal high capacity magazine" (IHCM) with a local NBC affiliate running a scroll at the bottom of the screen saying the IHCM allows the shooter to "fire more than ten rounds at once"...🙄

  "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
  George Carlin

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• Gila Posts: 1,828 Senior Member

  November 2018 #9

  Gene L said:

  I'm surprised this topic hasn't drawn more response.  A tragedy that will lead to more gun control.  I heard somewhere that there were several cops in the audience, but they were unarmed.  I wonder why?  If some of them, or anyone else, had been armed, the death count could have been  a lot less
  

  LEO's cannot justify the use of deadly force if they have consumed alcohol in most circumstances.
  

  No good deed goes unpunished...
  

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• Gene L Senior Member Posts: 11,826 Senior Member

  November 2018 #10

  Self defense.
  

  Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  

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• earlyagain Posts: 6,820 Senior Member

  November 2018 #11

  Im kind of inclined to speculate that someone inside that was armed at the time of crisis would have a tactical advantage over someone rushing into the place from outside. Maybe enough to increase the chances of stopping the threat???

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• Spk Senior Member Posts: 4,006 Senior Member

  November 2018 #12

  Gila said:

  LEO's cannot justify the use of deadly force if they have consumed alcohol in most circumstances.
  

  In most cases... unless it's an Active Shooter call. Recent guidelines make it very clear that you can.
  

  "Law enforcement/first responders.
  
  When law enforcement arrives on scene, their primary responsibility will be to eliminate the threat. Once the active shooter has been neutralized, they will facilitate the evacuation of survivors and treatment of the injured with first responders." --- CAL OES
  

  CAL OES
  

  
  Regrettably, good intentions and heroic actions aren't enough. Not all active shooters are gonna be pissed off/mentally deranged people who can't shoot.
  
  This whole incident has been very regrettable.
  
  

  Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
  How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
  
  

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• shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,794 Senior Member

  November 2018 #13

  Gene L said:

  I'm surprised this topic hasn't drawn more response.  A tragedy that will lead to more gun control.  I heard somewhere that there were several cops in the audience, but they were unarmed.  I wonder why?  If some of them, or anyone else, had been armed, the death count could have been  a lot less
  

  Probably because it was a bar, and they were drinking. My LE friends (and myself, the boring .gov employee and armed citizen) who are pretty religious about carrying 24/7 put their pistols away when gratuitous amounts of alcohol come out.

  - I am a rifleman with a poorly chosen screen name. -
  "Slow is smooth, smooth is fast, and speed is the economy of motion" - Scott Jedlinski

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• Spk Senior Member Posts: 4,006 Senior Member

  November 2018 #14

  Gene L said:

  I'm surprised this topic hasn't drawn more response.  A tragedy that will lead to more gun control.  I heard somewhere that there were several cops in the audience, but they were unarmed.  I wonder why?  If some of them, or anyone else, had been armed, the death count could have been  a lot less
  

  Another mass shooting among so many already. Regrettably, he was a veteran. Possibly, with PTSD or some other mental problem and this close to Veteran's Day. The whole thing was tragic.
  
  The cops were unarmed, probably because they had plans to do a little drinkin' themselves. Remember the FBI agent that went clubbin' -- does a back-flip, drops his gun then shoots a bystander in the foot?
  
  
  Lesson Learned: Don't Drink and Carry!
   
  
  

  Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
  How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
  
  

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