What side of the fence are you on the left or the right

Jeff in TX · December 2018

Ok, to be honest it's conference call Friday and I'm ready to jump out the window. Only problem is the house has only one floor! To entertain myself I got to thinking, most on this board seem to be on the right, myself included. However, I tend to think my views are conservative with some right-wing libertarian views tossed in!

Anyone else care to share their view points!

zorba · December 2018

I consider myself a "right of center" Libertarian. I patently disagree with most - but not all - of the positions promulgated by both our major parties. Then, some of the stuff I *do* agree with is pushed waaaaaay too far.

I consider the Democrat and Republican parties both to be "parties of slavery", albeit for different reasons, and what passes for the "Libertarian Party" is majorly broken.

Make_My_Day · December 2018

I would say I'm a libertarian-leaning conservative with emphasis on the latter. The Democrats disgust me, but I'm only favorable to the Republicans that are not Neocons or RINO's..... People like Paul Ryan, Jeff Flake, Orrin Hatch, John Cornyn, Marco Rubio, and others.

NN · December 2018

I tried to climb the fence today--------I fell off

tennmike · December 2018

I'm to the Right of the Constitution, and to the Left of the Articles of Confederation. Anarchist???

earlyagain · December 2018

Im left handed and right eye dominant.

knitepoet · December 2018

A right leaning Libertarian.

the current size of the Gov't needs to be reduced by, AT LEAST, 50% and the feds should butt out of most "every day" subjects

das68 · December 2018

NN said:

I tried to climb the fence today--------I fell off

is the fence there to keep you out or to keep you in?

Jermanator · December 2018

I try to align myself with a "pro-freedom" agenda. I tend to be on the left of social issues and on the right fiscally. Libertarian or Classical Liberal would be a fair characterization of my views.

zorba · December 2018

cpj said:

The religious right, and not even the nut job religious right (the fruits in Kansas who’s name I won’t mention as to not give them credit) has done as much to divide this country as the left. (That comment is gonna make me POPULAR!)

Makes you popular with me. I'll spare everyone the rant, but someone else here once said "The party of Marx or the party of Jesus. How about 'neither'?".

If the GOP would show these types the door, they'd get a LOT more votes.

FFLshooter · December 2018

I’m with the “leave me the **** alone and let me be” party. The one that doesn’t want to be told what I can and can’t do because I don’t bother, harm or inconvenience anybody.

bullsi1911 · December 2018

Put me in the Libertarian crowd as well.

Which... is strange. I used to be one of only a couple Libertarians on here.

Gene L · December 2018

I admire Libertarians on many issues, but I'm a conservative in the 1960s mold...when I grew up. I believe in law and order, don't care about sexual identity unless a guy follows my grand daughter in a bathroom. If a guy wants to destroy himself with cocaine and heroin, that would be OK if it didn't involve others, but it always does. (It increases the power of those in SA who produce and traffic in it, which impacts our country.) I'm pro life, but don't think abortion should be illegal. So there it is.

FFLshooter · December 2018

As for actual political beliefs, I follow my moral compass, again as long as someone doesn’t bother me with their actions I don’t care what they do. I only despise people that think the earth is flat. Seriously. There’s a ton of things that I despise about the way that things are run in this country and it’s easy for someone to say “Well if you don’t like it, leave”. But how and why would I do that? I surely can’t afford it and I was born free to this world just as the other guy and didn’t ask to be created or put anywhere specific so why would I leave just because others want to encroach on my right to exist and want me to do what they say just because people other than myself said so. I will never accept anyone having authority over me. Ever

Jayhawker · December 2018

I am firmly on my side of the fence....Just as long as you aren't trying to cram your political/religious/whatever agenda down my throat and leave me the XXXX alone

zorba · December 2018

This is probably why we all get along so well here - I pretty much agree with everything posted thus far...

CaliFFL · December 2018

If we're using labels...I am very libertarian, with a bent towards Ancap. Everything every centralized government in history touches turns to crap. Government is always about force, and generally against minorities. People of minority race, religion, or political views end up dead or in cages.

Bigslug · December 2018

"I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side" - Treebeard The Lord of the Rings

CHIRO1989 · December 2018

Fiscal conservative, social leaning to conservative since there must be a limit to your financial assistance, libertarian leanings on the rest, leave me alone and I will leave you alone, keep your agendas to yourself

bisley · December 2018

I guess I'm a small government, low taxes, constitutional conservative. I like a lot of libertarian principles, but also disagree on some major issues.

I think that the 18th century liberals who cobbled together the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights were a hell of lot smarter than any politician, since.They were tested by the fires of revolution, and the knowledge that if they failed, they would hang.

That is political courage that has not been seen, since. I believe that the framework that they provided was based on a radical new form of government, at the time, that corrected much of what was wrong with all of the democracies that had previously failed. It was not perfect, but it was excellent. Had the issue of ending slavery been agreed upon, politically, the Constitution would have been almost perfect, with all other issues being resolved on a more local or regional basis, and without major military conflict. I believe that the American Civil War proved that modern revolutions are too deadly to be risked lightly, until the alternatives to revolution have also become deadly.

I also believe that there are many issues that honest people can logically disagree about, and that if politicians can debate those issues honestly and logically, legitimate compromises can be reached...if the general populace can do the same. That has not happened in a long time.

I do not like political parties, because they change debates from problem-solving exercises to cheerleading exercises, but they seem to be necessary evils that I will not refuse participation in, as long as they are the only game in town.

snake284 · December 2018

alphasigmookie said:

I think people have a pretty good idea where I stand. I'm super socially liberal. Basically do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt/infringe on the rights of others.

Foreign policy I tend towards isolationism whenever feasible from a military point of view, while trying to lead economically and culturally.

Economically I'm generally in favor of well regulated capitalism or as many here would say, socialism. I believe the playing field is largely tilted in favor of the elite and that there is a strong role that the government can and should play to help level it, while helping to protect those with little power from getting completely screwed by those with lots of it.

I also believe there are public goods that cannot and will not be provided effectively by the free market, andjj that government has an important role in providing them. There are also big challenges that we face as a society from time to time and government should lead the way on addressing those changes.

Isolationism cost this country dearly at the beginning of WWII. We had piss poor planes, limited ships and not near enough army. We left huge blocks of real estate and allies hanging for the first 3 years. Our isolationism let Hitler get a foot hold in Europe and a license to kill millions. It let the Japanese build up into a formidable force of determined enemy that took us 4 years and a lot of American lives to stop. And at that we had to drop two A-Bombs on them to get them to stop fighting. You go put your head in the sand and tell everybody do what you wish, just don't bother me and you'll pull it out of the sand to find yourself surrounded by bad guys.

In this country we have a constitution. it is the law of the land written by some very smart people. We have a bill of rights attached to that Constitution and they are not up for discussion unless a majority of the people see a need to. But they are not up for one party to tear down. Leave them the F alone. How dare one party and a bunch of tin horn politicians try to disarm me. Stop giving bad guys a break and stand up for law enforcement, and quit telling people the problem is law abiding people with guns.

There ain't no free lunch. Nothing's free. You get what you pay for and or work for. Nobody is privileged no matter what color. These blooming idiot Libtards don't know what came first, the chicken or the egg. Everybody wants something for nothing. There is nothing for nothing. All those riding the bus for free need to get off and push awhile.

There's room in this country for new citizens but we can't just open the door because we'll sink. There's a way to come here if you're worthy. I'm somewhat just to the left of Trump on this. I like what he's trying to do with border security and I believe we need a wall. But sometimes I think he wants to shut the door for everybody. I don't agree with that. We do have room for more, just not 11,000,000 more overnight. If we could stop the flow of illegals we might be able to help those who are legally here. I do NOT want to see this country relegated to a one party system as much as I disagree with the present Democrat party and that's what will happen if we make citizens out of 11 million people that don't have our values yet.

I'm for freedom of religion but not freedom from religion. I feel we should be able to worship when and where we want, but I also believe those that don't want to shouldn't be forced to or be forced to pay for our beliefs. If a group of people want to pray in public such as at a sports event or a graduation or any public event, I think we should be able to. But those that don't believe should be able to abstain and not participate.

But I think if you see one of my religion's display out on the street I don't think you have a right to make it go away. If that offends you I'm thinking you're either too easily offended or you have an agenda.

If you belong to a religion that has desires to convert me against my will I think you need to leave. At that point we no longer have a debate or an argument about it. You're here trying to change my country from how it's been for 243 years. And that goes for all religions. We have no place for that crap here just as we have no place for someone forcing others to worship in any one style or at all for that matter. So if that's your goal save us all a lot of trouble and grief and get the hell back where you came from.

As far as gays go, I figure it's between them and God. I believe in God and I leave that up to him. If there's to be punishment for your actions I figure he'll take care of that. But I'm not your judge. Now if you're screwed up in the head and don't know what gender you are, I suggest you pull down your pants and look. You may not choose to use your junk as God intended but here again God will judge. But like Gene said, if you were born with the same junk I was I better not see you going in the bathroom behind my daughter, granddaughter, or wife.

I'm a Republican and I detest other Republicans who say they are but act like Democrats, RINOS. I'm also a very conservative Republican. I could be a little more left on some issues but the left won't let me. If I show some weakness they will try to change things and take over so I'm going to be bullish on them and stand up for America and Help Make America Great Again !!!

zorba · December 2018

snake284 said:

If you belong to a religion that has desires to convert me against my will I think you need to leave.

Then this would be a VERY empty country indeed.

zorba · December 2018

snake284 said:

Isolationism cost this country dearly at the beginning of WWII. We had piss poor planes, limited ships and not near enough army. We left huge blocks of real estate and allies hanging for the first 3 years. Our isolationism let Hitler get a foot hold in Europe and a license to kill millions. It let the Japanese build up into a formidable force of determined enemy that took us 4 years and a lot of American lives to stop. And at that we had to drop two A-Bombs on them to get them to stop fighting. You go put your head in the sand and tell everybody do what you wish, just don't bother me and you'll pull it out of the sand to find yourself surrounded by bad guys.

It only cost us dearly because we ended it. Make of that what you will.

Gene L · December 2018

No one here is trying to force a religion on you, Zorba.

zorba · December 2018

Gene L said:

No one here is trying to force a religion on you, Zorba.

I agree. Here? Nope, not at all.

BigDanS · December 2018

Very simply, I am Right....

Jeff in TX · December 2018

Interesting and great view points being shared. Religion is a touchy subject. God and my Christian beliefs are forefront in our home.

Our beliefs are our beliefs. It’s not my place to force them onto anyone else though I ask others to respect my beliefs as I respect theirs.

knitepoet · December 2018

Jeff in TX said:

Our beliefs are our beliefs. It’s not my place to force them onto anyone else though I ask others to respect my beliefs as I respect theirs.

Ding ding ding... WE HAVE A WINNER

I honestly do not care if you worship an oak tree. If that's what helps you make it through your life, more power to you.

AS LONG AS you don't:

1) try to stop me from cutting down an oak tree on MY property;

2) try to force me to believe as you do;

and/or

3) try and get special privileges because of your beliefs.

CaliFFL · December 2018

Gene L said:

No one here is trying to force a religion on you, Zorba.

I don't know about that...I've been told the world would end if I didn't believe/follow this dogma.

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bisley · December 2018

I watched Mark Levin interview Walter Williams, and they pretty much boiled all of the political arguments down to one question:

Do you want liberty, or equality?

(You can substitute the word 'safety' for 'equality,' without significantly changing the argument.)

Liberty, quite simply, is the ability to succeed or fail without significant government interference. It is a concept that guarantees each individual's right to seek an outcome, but it does not guarantee.the outcome. Liberty is an honest goal, that makes no promises to anyone, except an attempt at justice for any whose liberty has been violated. A small government is needed to insure liberty and organize a military to be used against foreign aggressors, but every attempt for that government to go beyond that simple mandate increases the inherent corruption that is present in every government.

Equality is a myth, dangled in front of the poor by opportunistic liars, who would create an authoritarian class for themselves, by reducing everyone that has not been selected for that class to mediocrity. There is no organized formula for achieving equality that does not require someone in authority to 'administrate' it, and there is no authoritarian entity that is not corrupt. People may have individual liberty, on an equal basis, but equality of outcome is up to each individual.

How is the sham idea of equality created? It is created by using the promise of this nebulous equality to destroy individual liberty.

Gene L · December 2018

CaliFFL said:

Gene L said:

No one here is trying to force a religion on you, Zorba.

I don't know about that...I've been told the world would end if I didn't believe/follow this dogma.
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Religion being FORCED on you against your will?

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