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Missouri doe whacked with cast lead bullet from a muzzleloader

Six-GunSix-Gun Senior MemberPosts: 8,155 Senior Member
edited December 2018 in Hunting #1
It’s always reassuring to know you’ve made a good investment.

A month or so back, I went on contract for a 52.6 acre plot in Missouri that includes 22 tillable acres, currently in beans, that are on a lease that I'll inherit at closing.  It also has plenty of deer, turkey and waterfowl, as it sits just 6 minutes south of a major wildlife refuge.

While the sellers and I don’t close on the land until the top of next month, they were kind enough to let me hunt the “alternative methods” season before I officially own it.  This season includes handguns, high power air rifles, atlatls, archery equipment and muzzleloading firearms (to include flintlock, caplock, cap and ball arms, and scoped inlines).

Since I made a batch of cast lead bullets for my .45 Colt lever rifle last year, I’ve had the inkling to toss them in .50 cal sabots and see how they shot out of an inline muzzleloader.  While they don’t shoot as nearly accurately out on my T/C Omega with sabots as they do from metallic cartridges in my lever rifle, they would work for the task at hand.  Over 100 grains of Blackhorn 209 using a CCI 209M primer (no gas check/no lube), they shot respectably enough to stretch them out to a little over 100 yards at about a 4” group.  Velocity with this charge is right at 1,800 fps.

I sat the current landowner’s elevated box blind overlooking two of the bean fields and some of the woods.  It was not where I would’ve chosen to sit if the goal was exclusively to kill a deer, but it offered an excellent view over a huge swath of the property - much more important for overall intel gathering and long term success.

There were plenty of deer moving in the morning, but the evening was when deer would come into my limited range window.  Well before the end of legal daylight, I filled my antlerless tag at 106 yards to the thump of 245 gr. of cast lead walloping a mature doe.  She death dashed for about 100 yards and toppled.

Impact was slightly high and right of aim point, but the hit was clearly lethal, leaving the patented cookie-cutter exit typical of minimally expanding cast bullets.

Entrance:



Exit:



So, my first ever Missouri deer made for my 6th overall of this season.  A buddy is coming over next week to help me make a monster batch of polish and Summer sausage out of her.  Can’t wait!  

I have a feeling that a lot of great memories are going to be made on this land.  There were a lot of critters around for such a modest-sized parcel.  Next month can’t come soon enough.
Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.

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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Awesome score!
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,466 Senior Member
    Good deal. 

    Why you buying in MO?
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #4
    Zee said:
    Good deal. 

    Why you buying in MO?
    There are numerous reasons, but most important is that I could actually find something affordable closer buying in Missouri than I could in Nebraska.  

    This place is only 1.5 hours from home.  You have to drive well away from where I live to find a remotely affordable tract, and it will almost assuredly be smaller than what I got for the same price.  Nebraska farmland is awesome and packed with game, but it's also WAY overpriced and property taxes here are much, much higher.  On place like I got, I'd be looking at around $1,500/year in taxes in NE.

    In contrast the entire 52.6 in MO, my total annual tax bill is under $55 for the entire place.  Better still, the crop lease that I'm inheriting is with a cattle company and generates a substantial amount of income.  It literally pays for more than half of what the mortgage costs annually.  That lease still has 2 years left on it and the tenant has zero intentions to leave anytime soon.  In fact, he will likely reset and re-sign the lease for 3 more years when I take over.  That factor alone allowed me to buy much larger than I originally planned.

    Lastly, MO has relatively cheap non-resident tag prices.  If I ever change my residency over to there, I will get *free* landowner tags for deer and turkey.  I'm considering it, but that's not a straight forward decision since I hold 8 resident points for bighorn sheep, elk and other game in Nevada that I don't want to lose or convert to non-resident points.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 25,126 Senior Member
  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,953 Senior Member
    Great on the doe.
    Better on the land.
    Happy for you.
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,615 Senior Member
    Good deal!  The land sounds awesome!
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Lead makes excellent bullets.😁

    Make me hungry for fresh ven backstraps.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,206 Senior Member
    Glad glad to hear you got your toe wet on nice piece of land, sounds like the previous owner has been more than helpful, hope you have good neighbors, meet and greet so you can add to your "Green Acres".
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    cpj said:
    Was just about to ask if you bought a bonus (antlerless) yah and saved your “any deer” for later in the season. 
    But I remembered you have to pay a whoooooole bunch more than I do. 
    That’s exactly what I did.  Used the antlerless yesterday.  Still have the any deer.  Had a good buck show up late but just a bit to far at 160 yards.  It was still fun to watch him sparr another buck in tge field.  I’ll go back out and see if I can get him tomorrow.  
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #11
    CHIRO1989 said:
    Glad glad to hear you got your toe wet on nice piece of land, sounds like the previous owner has been more than helpful, hope you have good neighbors, meet and greet so you can add to your "Green Acres".
    He has been very helpful and really got me situated well enough to be successful here.  I think the fact that it only took one trip to fill a tag speaks to how well he managed the place, too.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,118 Senior Member
    Nicely done!  Great deal on that piece of ground...MO has some excellent hunting opportunities, a few of my KS relatives have done really well on deer there...
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  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    Nicely done!  Great deal on that piece of ground...MO has some excellent hunting opportunities, a few of my KS relatives have done really well on deer there...
    Thanks!  It feels like the right place for my family, for sure.  I looked at a LOT of places, both online and in person, before settling on this place.  The stars aligned, it seems.

    I was extremely impressed at the number of deer I saw in Kansas while scouting turkeys and am seriously considering trying a deer season there.  That said, Missouri is no slouch and I can definitely understand your family crossing the border to hunt there.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,143 Senior Member
    Congratulations on the land purchase and deer.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Six-Gun said:
    Zee said:
    Good deal. 

    Why you buying in MO?
    There are numerous reasons, but most important is that I could actually find something affordable closer buying in Missouri than I could in Nebraska.  

    This place is only 1.5 hours from home.  You have to drive well away from where I live to find a remotely affordable tract, and it will almost assuredly be smaller than what I got for the same price.  Nebraska farmland is awesome and packed with game, but it's also WAY overpriced and property taxes here are much, much higher.  On place like I got, I'd be looking at around $1,500/year in taxes in NE.

    In contrast the entire 52.6 in MO, my total annual tax bill is under $55 for the entire place.  Better still, the crop lease that I'm inheriting is with a cattle company and generates a substantial amount of income.  It literally pays for more than half of what the mortgage costs annually.  That lease still has 2 years left on it and the tenant has zero intentions to leave anytime soon.  In fact, he will likely reset and re-sign the lease for 3 more years when I take over.  That factor alone allowed me to buy much larger than I originally planned.

    Lastly, MO has relatively cheap non-resident tag prices.  If I ever change my residency over to there, I will get *free* landowner tags for deer and turkey.  I'm considering it, but that's not a straight forward decision since I hold 8 resident points for bighorn sheep, elk and other game in Nevada that I don't want to lose or convert to non-resident points.
    Are you in the North West part of the state?
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #16
    snake284 said:
    Six-Gun said:
    Zee said:
    Good deal. 

    Why you buying in MO?
    There are numerous reasons, but most important is that I could actually find something affordable closer buying in Missouri than I could in Nebraska.  

    This place is only 1.5 hours from home.  You have to drive well away from where I live to find a remotely affordable tract, and it will almost assuredly be smaller than what I got for the same price.  Nebraska farmland is awesome and packed with game, but it's also WAY overpriced and property taxes here are much, much higher.  On place like I got, I'd be looking at around $1,500/year in taxes in NE.

    In contrast the entire 52.6 in MO, my total annual tax bill is under $55 for the entire place.  Better still, the crop lease that I'm inheriting is with a cattle company and generates a substantial amount of income.  It literally pays for more than half of what the mortgage costs annually.  That lease still has 2 years left on it and the tenant has zero intentions to leave anytime soon.  In fact, he will likely reset and re-sign the lease for 3 more years when I take over.  That factor alone allowed me to buy much larger than I originally planned.

    Lastly, MO has relatively cheap non-resident tag prices.  If I ever change my residency over to there, I will get *free* landowner tags for deer and turkey.  I'm considering it, but that's not a straight forward decision since I hold 8 resident points for bighorn sheep, elk and other game in Nevada that I don't want to lose or convert to non-resident points.
    Are you in the North West part of the state?
    Yes.  The place I bought is in Holt County - the second county south from the northwest corner.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #17
    Six-Gun said:
    snake284 said:
    Six-Gun said:
    Zee said:
    Good deal. 

    Why you buying in MO?
    There are numerous reasons, but most important is that I could actually find something affordable closer buying in Missouri than I could in Nebraska.  

    This place is only 1.5 hours from home.  You have to drive well away from where I live to find a remotely affordable tract, and it will almost assuredly be smaller than what I got for the same price.  Nebraska farmland is awesome and packed with game, but it's also WAY overpriced and property taxes here are much, much higher.  On place like I got, I'd be looking at around $1,500/year in taxes in NE.

    In contrast the entire 52.6 in MO, my total annual tax bill is under $55 for the entire place.  Better still, the crop lease that I'm inheriting is with a cattle company and generates a substantial amount of income.  It literally pays for more than half of what the mortgage costs annually.  That lease still has 2 years left on it and the tenant has zero intentions to leave anytime soon.  In fact, he will likely reset and re-sign the lease for 3 more years when I take over.  That factor alone allowed me to buy much larger than I originally planned.

    Lastly, MO has relatively cheap non-resident tag prices.  If I ever change my residency over to there, I will get *free* landowner tags for deer and turkey.  I'm considering it, but that's not a straight forward decision since I hold  resident points for bighorn sheep, elk and other game in Nevada that I don't want to lose or convert to non-resident points.
    Are you in the North West part of the state?
    Yes.  The place I bought is in Holt County - the second county south from the northwest corner.
    My ex inlaws lived in Columbia when I first married their daughter. The family was and still is in the appliance business there. They moved out on the family farm just out of Boonville in 72. My ex inherited that part of the wealth when they died and she lives there now. There were some big deer around their place. But my father in law used to tell me the biggest deer were up north close to Iowa and Nebraska..
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,666 Senior Member
    Glad to see you found something affordable. I have given up on that pipe dream....

    The gas boom here drove the value and tax rates of land around this area out of my reach. Even those who already had land have to lease the hunting rights to afford the taxes. Unless they get good lease money for the mineral rights and that is so hit and miss it makes no sense to me. Two adjoining plots can make many $1000's difference.

    Now you can look forward to finding your first trespasser...    ;)
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #19
    jbp-ohio said:
    Glad to see you found something affordable. I have given up on that pipe dream....

    The gas boom here drove the value and tax rates of land around this area out of my reach. Even those who already had land have to lease the hunting rights to afford the taxes. Unless they get good lease money for the mineral rights and that is so hit and miss it makes no sense to me. Two adjoining plots can make many $1000's difference.

    Now you can look forward to finding your first trespasser...    ;)
    I’m already braced for it.  I’m going to put signs up purely as a matter of course, but I’m under no delusions about the fact that there are plenty of good ol’ boys who will find out in short order that I don’t live there and will be doing as they please.  The realtor I used is the game warden’s brother-in-law.  I’ll be talking with him about a random visit during the season and beyond.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,666 Senior Member
    To bad it's illegal to offer a bounty to the Warden and/or local Sheriff for every trespasser caught and fined.
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #21
    jbp-ohio said:
    To bad it's illegal to offer a bounty to the Warden and/or local Sheriff for every trespasser caught and fined.
    I would do it in a heartbeat.  I have a friend who is an electrian specializing in commercial security systems.  I’m going to see what kind of solar powered camera options exist to capture images of people inevitably coming on and off of the place.

    Oh, and the Ohio gas boom you mentioned is something else.  A hunting buddy of mine is from St. Calirsville, OH.  Many years back, his cousin befriended an old guy who had no living kin and willed him a beautiful piece of land.  Turns out the place not only had tons of game, but it was sitting on a huge amount of natural gas.  

    I don’t know how much his cousin makes on that mineral lease, but it’s A LOT.    The guy is now 80 years old and really doesn’t have to work anymore with the income from the land...but he does, presumably so he ain’t stuck in the house with his old lady all day. 😂
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • bellcatbellcat Senior Member Posts: 2,036 Senior Member
    Good hustle!
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  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #23
    Thanks, bellcat!

    It should be noted that my parents are in town visiting and wanted to go see the place.  We went down and we, again, saw plenty of deer and a boatload of migrating waterfowl.  It’s really a good thing and I hope that never changes.  It may even necessitate buying a regular hunting license and hauling my snow goose decoy spread down here when the Spring Conservation season starts.  Can’t wait for Spring to get here to see when the turkeys start gobbling and strutting in the open fields.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
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