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centermass556
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Domains, and where we are in them. (losing)
centermass556
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There is a point to this:
A little Background:
According to Joint Doctrine, the US military vies for dominance in 5 areas - Traditionally there were three and we have been very slow on the uptake and the recognition of the new two. Well, new to the US, but occupied by near peer competitors for a while. The Domains are:
Land
Air
Sea
Space
Information/Cyber
The Military doctrine used to obtain dominance in each domain has always been overmatch. In other words, we have relied on having the best equipment (technologically advanced), quality within the quantity, and key strategic points. It is highly questionable if we still have the most state of the art equipment. What we are seeing around the globe tells us that we no longer own the night, are the not leader in the UAV race, and we sure as heck do not have the numbers we should to project the power we are trying to project. We have a 15 division and 7 Fleet Strategy with kinda 9 divisions, and kinda 5 fleets. We have one, and only one, Tank division in the United States Army. Our Mech Infantry is out gunned, but we are working on that. 2d ACR already has the new Bradly and Stryker guns.
We are loosing the cyber fight. You remember how Mike Tyson used to dominate the ring with not real competition in sight? Our Near Peer competitors, and state actors, are Mike Tyson. We are the rest of the heavy weight world.
Now for the So What.
SPACE - The final frontier.
We are getting it handed to us in the Space race also. While Elon Musk is doing really great things with VTOL rockets and putting cars in space, as a nation we are behind. The Chinese placing a rely satellite in deep orbit and then landing on the back side of the moon just demonstrated how far behind the curve we have fallen. We have no idea what either of those payloads fully contained. China also has plans to place low orbit geo-synchronous over major cities to replicate the full moon illumination, and illuminate cities in the absence of street lamps and other energy spending equipment.
Russia, more so than China, has figured out the game. Mostly because we have already played this game with them once. So far, Russia has been able to draw us into two contested areas of proxy conflict and resource expenditure - Syria and Eastern Europe. And, our thinness and outdated equipment is showing.
I don't believe our economy can sustain another area of friction, I don't believe the military can either. If Russia is smart, in Tehran they will have the Iranians convince the Taliban to keep fighting and help them poor it on. While doing that, they will also move into South America again and strengthen ties with Cuba.
China is gaining steam with their version of the Greater Southeast Asia Prosperity Sphere (the same thing Japan tried in the 1930s). And Nixon is dead.
A little Background:
According to Joint Doctrine, the US military vies for dominance in 5 areas - Traditionally there were three and we have been very slow on the uptake and the recognition of the new two. Well, new to the US, but occupied by near peer competitors for a while. The Domains are:
Land
Air
Sea
Space
Information/Cyber
The Military doctrine used to obtain dominance in each domain has always been overmatch. In other words, we have relied on having the best equipment (technologically advanced), quality within the quantity, and key strategic points. It is highly questionable if we still have the most state of the art equipment. What we are seeing around the globe tells us that we no longer own the night, are the not leader in the UAV race, and we sure as heck do not have the numbers we should to project the power we are trying to project. We have a 15 division and 7 Fleet Strategy with kinda 9 divisions, and kinda 5 fleets. We have one, and only one, Tank division in the United States Army. Our Mech Infantry is out gunned, but we are working on that. 2d ACR already has the new Bradly and Stryker guns.
We are loosing the cyber fight. You remember how Mike Tyson used to dominate the ring with not real competition in sight? Our Near Peer competitors, and state actors, are Mike Tyson. We are the rest of the heavy weight world.
Now for the So What.
SPACE - The final frontier.
We are getting it handed to us in the Space race also. While Elon Musk is doing really great things with VTOL rockets and putting cars in space, as a nation we are behind. The Chinese placing a rely satellite in deep orbit and then landing on the back side of the moon just demonstrated how far behind the curve we have fallen. We have no idea what either of those payloads fully contained. China also has plans to place low orbit geo-synchronous over major cities to replicate the full moon illumination, and illuminate cities in the absence of street lamps and other energy spending equipment.
Russia, more so than China, has figured out the game. Mostly because we have already played this game with them once. So far, Russia has been able to draw us into two contested areas of proxy conflict and resource expenditure - Syria and Eastern Europe. And, our thinness and outdated equipment is showing.
I don't believe our economy can sustain another area of friction, I don't believe the military can either. If Russia is smart, in Tehran they will have the Iranians convince the Taliban to keep fighting and help them poor it on. While doing that, they will also move into South America again and strengthen ties with Cuba.
China is gaining steam with their version of the Greater Southeast Asia Prosperity Sphere (the same thing Japan tried in the 1930s). And Nixon is dead.
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However, the defense indrustry has embedded itself throught the country so that any large scale change could never clear the legislative hurdles.
NO, they cut out the GS-05 - 09 workers. The ones that know how to do the work and are good at it and leave the so called supervisors and directors who may be good at writing and such, have no idea how to make things work. A symphony only needs one conductor, but lots of people playing instruments well.
Fast forward to the same SES and GS-15 people deciding what equipment to purchase, what weapon system, or what network security to purchase and base that on what they can gain, and we have what we have today. Bottom line is, nobody really knows how to do much anymore.
Then have a President and Congress that all but shuts down NASA and poof we are behind everyone.
In the Military there are too many of what we used to call PX soldiers, they look great, max their PT test, but can not march troops fire a weapon and sure can't teach others.
We need more like the originator of this post in uniform and as leaders
We used to have a guy who made the rounds picking up he trash every day...his job was contracted out and he was replaced by 4 people, 3 picking up their own specific type of trash and one who followed them around to ensure they were doing their job.
Anyone who buys into the "cost savings" of contractors doing formerly government jobs just hasn't actually dealt with it...
So yea, there's room for discrepancies.
I do believe that many small countries without Theodore Roosevelt's big stick exert a great deal of influence.
When you look at their criteria for some of their measurements, they ignore some important factors in favor of things they believe to be more favorable. And in some instances, they are just flat out wrong.
How in the world can the not believe that China has Technological Prowess equal to that of the US, or even in a biased opinion at least close to the US? They don't rank china high because they base it on criteria such as University Ranking, Access to Communication, and other nonsense factors. China has clearly demonstrated the Technological ability and industrial base on the past five years. Their Cyber Capability is un matched. They recently placed a deep orbit Satellite into space, and a rover on the dark side of the moon. They are far ahead in their planning for a Mars mission. Having a Nobel Laurette does not mean you are technologically advanced.
This follows on to their judgment of the Military Power. China's Military base is damn near the population of New York and LA. Their Cyber force is the size of our Army. China has a Navy that is projecting power in the South China Sea.
Expanding the reach of China outside of the South East Asia Sphere, China has secured resources in Iraq, Africa, and currently has over $300 Billion wrapped up in South America. How that doesn't scream Significant world power, I have no idea.
China also possess UAV, Flight, Vision, and Weapon Technology that is at the same level as the US and surpassing most NATO countries. China's Defense spending dwarfs the UK and German spending budget. However, Chinese spending is nowhere close to US Spending. But, it doesn't have to be. China is not fighting two conflicts, while simultaneously projecting significant land and air power in eastern europe.
I could go on, but I think that gets to the point.
Obviously the military part is imperative to certain types of influence. Russia's Crimean campaign comes to mind. But could their interference in our elections be more powerful than their regional aggression? I realize that ciber influence is military, but I don't think of it as might.
There's no telling how deep into our various networks China and Russia have gotten.
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1. Do not give the U.S. a unifying motivator, such as Pearl Harbor or 9/11.
2. Ignore the U.S. and do what I want.
And that's it. The U.S. has the potential for radical changes in government every 2 years, and is divided into camps that cannot agree on the pallor of poo. Don't piss off the U.S. directly, and the mob won't care if you invade your neighbor or genocide half your population - at least not enough to generate allocation of resources against you.
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