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KMT2KMT2 MemberPosts: 363 Member
in Second Amendment/Politics #1
I am on day 38 of waiting for my govt issue lic for conceal carry. 
Now I have spent over the last 12 years near 12k in getting one. It seems that one case with two misdemeanor offenses was a bad thing. I finally got a good LAwyer(note if you are in Mi and need one please IM me Ill give ya his info. He is a gu nut and is very knowledgeable).
He had two years ago was able to remove one of my misdemeanors through expungement. Which allowed me to get my Medic Lic. The other due to some screwed up MI law was not able to be removed. But hey the worst of the two was removed. 
SO I did the training class, put in the paperwork back on Dec 13 and should have got he cpl card for Christmas. It seems that the powers that be are being stupid. The good thing is on Day 46 of waiting I can go live with carry. Bad thing is they can still pull it later due to they are still looking into my back ground. What it is is someone cant read the law and are awaiting for a response from some one else. But that person does not know the laws either and don't know how to read.
 Heck I am not a lawyer and can read and understand Michigan MCL and laws. 
I feel that I'm going to be going through a bit of more expensive to get this. I am not amused. Good thing is the Lawyer will not charge me an arm and a leg. Just only my first borne and 5 pints of Blood. I just hope he does not mind the blood being someone else's. (love being trained in paramedicine. 
Just a question for anyone in MI. Does anyone know how long after the original 45 days, where i am now carrying per the receipt , can the state come back and pull it?
 I'm not finding the information. Which is making me a bit peeved. Id not like to have them pull it like a year from now , cause they said oops we read it wrong, or  oh this is what we believe it should be.
 Which would more than start a legal case that either county Kent or Oakland would not like, let alone MSP who gave me one in 2007, but Kalamazoo said no. 

Sorry for the rant.
 Kevin
If you think OHSA is a little town in Wisconsin you may be in trouble!
Peace is firing my guns or 60 feet below the surface of the water.
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  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,496 Senior Member
    #2
    Given our current governor and AG, I wouldnt risk carrying without having the actual CPL in your possession.  This state isnt always the quickest about informing people that their CPL has been revoked.  I know a few people that found out by chance that they had been revoked, for various reasons, several months prior and had no clue.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    #3
    My Texas license took around three months, the first time.
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  • KMT2KMT2 Member Posts: 363 Member
    #4
    Well that wold be an issue for the state and a judge to decide if I was in the wrong. I would forgo a house to place it in front of the State supreme court. When I play I play to win not just place or show. I wrestled for way to many years and love being the underdog, cause I have been over looked many times and well I seem to win. But I will discuss with the Lawyer that's what he gets paid for. 
    If you think OHSA is a little town in Wisconsin you may be in trouble!
    Peace is firing my guns or 60 feet below the surface of the water.
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,886 Senior Member
    #5
    Great lake state?
    Great wait state?
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,131 Senior Member
    #6
    I would wait a week and worry about it then. This may be a big nothing burger.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
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  • KMT2KMT2 Member Posts: 363 Member
    #7
    Jermanator said:
    I would wait a week and worry about it then. This may be a big nothing burger.
    True. but it is just pissing me off to no end. 
    It seems when I want something I must wait , but when everyone else wants a piece of my. I have to give it to them before they ask and not get thanked for it.
     
     And people wonder why i am not cheerful and nice anymore. 
    If you think OHSA is a little town in Wisconsin you may be in trouble!
    Peace is firing my guns or 60 feet below the surface of the water.
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  • KMT2KMT2 Member Posts: 363 Member
    #8
    On day 40. still counting. I'm happy but yet a little upset. 
    Funny thing is the Ruger #1 only had a 14 hour delay, same ****  they look at so im confused. 
    If you think OHSA is a little town in Wisconsin you may be in trouble!
    Peace is firing my guns or 60 feet below the surface of the water.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,131 Senior Member
    #9
    Today is a federal holiday. I wouldn't be waiting by the mailbox today.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
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  • KMT2KMT2 Member Posts: 363 Member
    #10
    yup but  it goes against the 45 days. so, its all good. 
    Some how i see them saying something on the govt shut down . 

    If you think OHSA is a little town in Wisconsin you may be in trouble!
    Peace is firing my guns or 60 feet below the surface of the water.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,131 Senior Member
    #11
    Cough....

    Are you enjoying the CPL that came in the mail today Kevin?
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
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  • KMT2KMT2 Member Posts: 363 Member
    #12
    Yes I am.
     It should not have taken up until the last week but yes I am. Happy.

    Jermanator said:
    Cough....

    Are you enjoying the CPL that came in the mail today Kevin?
    Now to the rest I have recived my CPL card yesterday. I first thought i did not receive it. I had patted down and flexed the mail some to see if there  was anything ridged. I did not feel anything. But when I looked at th email closer inside, I re did it. Well it was in there. 
    It has been a very long and very expensive struggle with ths. near 12 years and well over 14k with training and legal fees. 
    But I am happy now.
    If you think OHSA is a little town in Wisconsin you may be in trouble!
    Peace is firing my guns or 60 feet below the surface of the water.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,453 Senior Member
    #13
    Glad to hear you finally got it! Sometimes the wheels of government turn really, really slow.
      “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,225 Senior Member
    edited January 2019 #14
    Glad I don't have to jump those hoops...

    After 3 years in FL, I went to the sheriffs office to get my Ohio license again. SInce my old one was good until August of this year I just paid $5 to get a address change. They printed it out right there in the office.

    That is why I always voted for this sheriff even though he is a Democrat. He took the CCW license laws seriously and put the money into good equipment.
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
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  • KMT2KMT2 Member Posts: 363 Member
    #15
    tennmike said:
    Glad to hear you finally got it! Sometimes the wheels of government turn really, really slow.
    Yes, Yes it does. 
    Now on to the next item a full time position some where. 
    If you think OHSA is a little town in Wisconsin you may be in trouble!
    Peace is firing my guns or 60 feet below the surface of the water.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,453 Senior Member
    #16
    Hope you find that full time position soon, too. Looks like there would be positions open for what you got trained to do up there. Just keep being persistent and putting out that resume.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,089 Senior Member
    #17
    Michigan ambulance services are in a real hurt for people...because, basically, nobody wants to do the job anymore...of course it would help if they would pay them for doing a job that takes over your life and runs on the theory of use 'em up and throw 'em out.
    My best friend is a senior medic in Northern MI and is making a stunning $18.50 an hour. The highest paying EMS job I know of is Mackinaw City at $24.00 per hour..

    Honestly...a "career" in EMS nowadays is a non-starter unless you're working for a Fire Department.

    Best advice I have is to keep at the school thing and get your RN while you're working in pre-hospital care...
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  • KMT2KMT2 Member Posts: 363 Member
    #18
    Jayhawker, I  have to get over to a local , fire department and discuss with them.
     Not having ff1 and ff2 does make it a problem. 
    I am considering the RN path.
    But the inorganic and organic chem is a killer . 
    If you think OHSA is a little town in Wisconsin you may be in trouble!
    Peace is firing my guns or 60 feet below the surface of the water.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,089 Senior Member
    #19
    FF 1 and 2 are pretty easy to find...the only problem is time...
    As far as the chemistry classes are concerned.... you're a smart guy and I know a bunch of RNs who are idiots, soooo
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,935 Senior Member
    #20
    KMT2 said:
    Jayhawker, I  have to get over to a local , fire department and discuss with them.
     Not having ff1 and ff2 does make it a problem. 
    I am considering the RN path.
    But the inorganic and organic chem is a killer . 
    Take those classes by themselves so you can focus on one thing and get a tutor, I am sure there is a coed out there that will take your money :)
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,453 Senior Member
    #21
    What they said about taking the chem classes separately is good advice. Inorganic chemistry was pretty easy for me. The reactions are much simpler and follow set rules. Organic chemistry, an elective, was a LOT harder. The suggestion of a tutor for either is a good idea, too. Sometimes another student or three can explain something a lot better than a 'professor'.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,131 Senior Member
    #22
    Why all the chemistry for a nursing degree? I had to take 8 credit hours of anatomy and physiology and 4 of microbiology... then another 6 credit hours of pharmacology, but no chem.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
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  • KMT2KMT2 Member Posts: 363 Member
    #23
    Jermanator said:
    Why all the chemistry for a nursing degree? I had to take 8 credit hours of anatomy and physiology and 4 of microbiology... then another 6 credit hours of pharmacology, but no chem.
    Its the requirement now, all the schools including community college, plus 8 hours A&P
    If you think OHSA is a little town in Wisconsin you may be in trouble!
    Peace is firing my guns or 60 feet below the surface of the water.
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,391 Senior Member
    #24
    KMT2 said:
    Jayhawker, I  have to get over to a local , fire department and discuss with them.
     Not having ff1 and ff2 does make it a problem. 
    I am considering the RN path.
    But the inorganic and organic chem is a killer . 
    I know that NCLEX is now the national licensure exam, so most states teach a similar curriculum. I know Alabama does NOT require inorganinc or organic chemistry for ADN (Assoc Degree RN)
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  • KMT2KMT2 Member Posts: 363 Member
    #25
    Knifepoint , the problem with an associated at least here in mi is you are looked upon as a LPN.Not that I don't already have a BS in Science, but it will not be the same. 
    I discussed the testing with a few on the state fire fighting training council and they stated that MI is not following that specific testing requirement at this time. 
    If you think OHSA is a little town in Wisconsin you may be in trouble!
    Peace is firing my guns or 60 feet below the surface of the water.
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    #26
    If you have issue with inorganic chemistry, you should work on your math skills. Inorganic chemistry uses a lot of algebra.
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  • KMT2KMT2 Member Posts: 363 Member
    #27
    and that is my issue.
     my algebra sucks

    If you think OHSA is a little town in Wisconsin you may be in trouble!
    Peace is firing my guns or 60 feet below the surface of the water.
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  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 6,594 Senior Member
    #28
    My Colorado CCW was issued to me when I took a job with the sheriffs office. When I left I was in good standing and offers my job back at any time (detention center work was not my thing) at the time it had no experation date. 5 years later I got a letter saying my card was expiring $60 bucks later good for another 5 years. When we moved to Ohio for a brief time I looked into my Ohio CCW they would not recognize my Colorado permit for a transfer but did to allow me to carry. After digging with the sheriffs office where we lived my law enforcement academy graduation certificate and 90 hrs of combat pistol training certificate was good enough for them to issues me an Ohio permit. All told it took about 4 hours with drive time. There was also a job offer if I wanted to work for that SO! I guess I’m lucky 
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