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It would be fun to shoot some of these 9mm +P+ outta a pistol that could handle them

Big ChiefBig Chief Senior MemberPosts: 32,995 Senior Member
Like my P-89, my LC9s wouldn't. The owners manual says limit and ammo like NATO 9mm much less something like these. 

1300 FPS is cookin fer a 9mm. Of course, I don't want to buy a 1000 of them. They would beat those small frame polymer 9mm carry pistols to death if you fired many of them. The snappy recoil would probably be a no-go too.

Outta a Ruger carbine like tennmikes would be a hoot.




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  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 3,395 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #2
    A guy named Paul Harrell has a pretty decent Youtube channel and he recently did a test with +p and +p+ ammo and found the difference was negligible out of the same gun and in fact, some of the +p+ ammo did not offer even a slight velocity advantage in the same gun... The greatest difference came between standard pressure and +p. After that, it was basically hype and additional gun wear. 


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  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 885 Senior Member
    Seems like you would need a longer barrel to take advantage of the +p+.  Maybe a carbine would benefit from it.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I've watched some of his videos before.

    Looks like he reached a point of diminishing returns going from +P to +P+ using those loads and that pistol. We all know manufacturers claims of velocity often don't match what we get. The test bbls they use have a lot to do with that.  
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #5
    In some Massad Ayoob's writings, he's commented on that ammo briefly referring to it positively. I don't think I've seen any references to substantial velocity gains. I'm also not positive its the same as the LEO ammo he used repeatedly, but I'm reasonably certain it is.

    Super-Vel is or was back in business and I came across a 9mm screamer in their offerings some time ago.

    I've read that certain models like the P38 and others of European make were made to run with higher pressure 9mm nato ammo as its loaded a bit hotter in Europe.
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,221 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #6
    https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=118

    (+P+) 115 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point - (1,400 fps/M.E. 500 ft.lbs.)

    1400 fps out of three different 9mm handguns. I agree with Big Chief, out of the Carbine, it should gain about 200 fps, which would place that squarely in 357 magnum territory. Not something I would make a steady diet, but interesting for certain situations. 

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