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• Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,308 Senior Member

  February 2019 edited February 2019 #2

  What is even funnier is that now they are saying how Google screwed the people.   The people were screwed by their newly elected media darling AOC.  Her and Bloomberg once again screwed the people and being called heros for it.   3 B in future tax breaks today, not money they already have, over what 25K workers in the higher end tax brackets and spending would add to the economy over many years. 
  

  Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5

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• Jermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,132 Senior Member

  February 2019 #3

  Not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer, are they?
  

  Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.

  -Thomas Paine

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• Make_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,793 Senior Member

  February 2019 edited February 2019 #4

  Why do you think I had to escape from that liberal, taxaholic hellhole? I came to Florida in 1990 and never went back, not even for a visit.

  
  

  Regarding Amazon: cut nose = spite face
  

  JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
  

  THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!

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• earlyagain Posts: 7,123 Senior Member

  February 2019 #5

  I've read about that place and seen photos. Very strange.

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• mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,518 Senior Member

  February 2019 #6

  Based on some of the "demands" Amazon was making in my area, they can go pound sand.  Billions in tax incentives, funding for construction, public transportation changes, and land essentially for free, all on the backs of the taxpayers.   Based on reports of how they treat their employees (from guys I work with that have been to their facilities before) and their apparent hatred for organized labor, I would rather the state entice something more friendly to the population of the state.

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• CaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member

  February 2019 #7

  mitdr774 said:

  Based on some of the "demands" Amazon was making in my area, they can go pound sand.  Billions in tax incentives, funding for construction, public transportation changes, and land essentially for free, all on the backs of the taxpayers.   Based on reports of how they treat their employees (from guys I work with that have been to their facilities before) and their apparent hatred for organized labor, I would rather the state entice something more friendly to the population of the state.

  While I agree with the subsidy argument, I have no use for organized labor, especially public labor unions. A few years ago, a particular union tried to force it's way into my aerospace factory using Washington State laws as leverage. I had to sell the nonunion argument to 100 employees. If the union had won this fight, there was a good chance the other facilities in WA would be forced into unions, whether they wanted to or not. The union targeted the smallest factory because it was the best odds for assimilation.  
  
  There's a few  reasons why the Boeing 787 is built in S. Carolina and not Renton. Unions are number 1. 
  

  When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.
  
  Adam J. McCleod
  
  

  
  

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• mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,518 Senior Member

  February 2019 #8

  While we could have another thread just on unions, I will leave it at you and I will have different opinions.  Mine are mostly based on what I have seen being IBEW and working around non union electricians.  
  
  Based on what I read about that Boeing move, corporate greed was reason number 1.  My understanding was the move was in place before the union argument came up due to cheaper labor in SC as it was.  Much like Harley using the tariffs as the reason for moving some production over seas.  They had been talking about it for years as a way to reduce labor cost and increase profits.  The Tariffs were a convenient excuse to make it look like it wasnt just a way to cut costs and increase profits.
  
  I would like to know where Amazon is coming up with 25k jobs averaging $150k a year.  That number seems a bit unrealistic if you do the math.

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• Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,308 Senior Member

  February 2019 #9

  The average white collar salary in and around New York city is around 127K.
  For a corporation as large and profitable as Amazon in that area, the number is very realistic. 

  Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5

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• Make_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,793 Senior Member

  February 2019 edited February 2019 #10

  I don't have knowledge of the total package, but the area that Amazon had intended to set up shop was Long Island City, an area of Queens County that was right across the East River from Manhatten. That area is largely commercial/industrial and would have been the perfect place to use a building that just needed refurbishing. They already have a good transit system....subway, buses, roads, bridges and tunnels. It seems to me that if all Amazon was asking for was tax breaks, that the increased business, improvement to the area, and taxes that would have been generated by Amazon's presence would have been well worth the loss of other taxes to NYC. AOC and the other socialists are damned fools.
  

  JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
  

  THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!

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• CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 13,030 Senior Member

  February 2019 #11

  mitdr774 said:

  While we could have another thread just on unions, I will leave it at you and I will have different opinions.  Mine are mostly based on what I have seen being IBEW and working around non union electricians.  
  
  Based on what I read about that Boeing move, corporate greed was reason number 1.  My understanding was the move was in place before the union argument came up due to cheaper labor in SC as it was.  Much like Harley using the tariffs as the reason for moving some production over seas.  They had been talking about it for years as a way to reduce labor cost and increase profits.  The Tariffs were a convenient excuse to make it look like it wasnt just a way to cut costs and increase profits.
  
  I would like to know where Amazon is coming up with 25k jobs averaging $150k a year.  That number seems a bit unrealistic if you do the math.

  The cost of doing business in the US is not cheap, if another state wants to help me run my business cheaper, hell yeah. The average salary in New York is skewed due to the COL there, $150K does not go far there.

  I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11

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• Make_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,793 Senior Member

  February 2019 #12

  CHIRO1989 said:

  The cost of doing business in the US is not cheap, if another state wants to help me run my business cheaper, hell yeah. The average salary in New York is skewed due to the COL there, $150K does not go far there.

  The average rent of a studio apartment in NYC is over $2500 a month. The total cost of living is outrageous. 150K barely covers it, with city income, sales taxes, state and federal taxes.
  

  JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
  

  THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!

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• CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 13,030 Senior Member

  February 2019 #13

  Make_My_Day said:

  CHIRO1989 said:

  The cost of doing business in the US is not cheap, if another state wants to help me run my business cheaper, hell yeah. The average salary in New York is skewed due to the COL there, $150K does not go far there.

  The average rent of a studio apartment in NYC is over $2500 a month. The total cost of living is outrageous. 150K barely covers it, with city income, sales taxes, state and federal taxes.
  

  Yep, $150k where I live will get you a nice house paid off in a few years, even with MN taxes. 

  I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11

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• tennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member

  February 2019 #14

  All y'all griping about the incentives and tax breaks Amazon was gonna get crack me up. Let's put it on a personal level.

  
  

  You are in the market for a new car. Do you:

  1. Just go to the dealer of the brand you want and pay list/sticker price? or

  2. Go to several dealers, dicker on the price and take the best below sticker price you can get?
  

  
  

  If you took #1 then you're an idiot.
  

  If you took #2 then you would just be doing what Amazon was doing.

  
  

  Sometimes y'all crack me up!
  

    “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
  ― Douglas Adams
  

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• Teach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member

  February 2019 #15

  Amazon is also setting up shop in Nashville Tennessee.  Nashville has been run by a bunch of liberal idiots for decades, surrounded by a state full of considerably more intelligent rednecks, but they're not as stupid as that bunch of damyankee fools in Noo Yawk!

  Jerry

  
  

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• RugerFan Senior Member Posts: 2,427 Senior Member

  February 2019 #16

  IIRC, New York  afforded double the incentives that another state did that was in the running for this HQ.

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• jbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,252 Senior Member

  February 2019 #17

  Jermanator said: Not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer, are they?
  No no............ She has it all figured out!

  Ocasio-Cortez: We can invest that $3 billion in our district

  
  
  

  "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson

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• jbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,252 Senior Member

  February 2019 #18

  Jump to the 6 minute mark......... https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/02/14/ocasio-cortez-we-can-invest-that-3-billion-in-our-district.html
  
  

  "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson

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• bisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member

  February 2019 #19

  I am beginning to love Ocasio-Cortez.

  
  

  Money can't buy opposition research for use in a campaign that surpasses what she provides every day, cheerfully, and for free. A spokesperson for the left that shouts 2+2=5, every day, is priceless.
  

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• Fisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member

  February 2019 #20

  RugerFan said:

  IIRC, New York  afforded double the incentives that another state did that was in the running for this HQ.

  
  The figures that they claimed were that 3 billion in tax incentives would have generated 27 billion in revenue to New York over 25 years.

  snake284 wrote: »

  For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me

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• jbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,252 Senior Member

  February 2019 #21

  bisley said:

  I am beginning to love Ocasio-Cortez.

  
  

  Money can't buy opposition research for use in a campaign that surpasses what she provides every day, cheerfully, and for free. A spokesperson for the left that shouts 2+2=5, every day, is priceless.
  

  I've noticed that the videos her people put out that shows her looking tough and smart are all scripted performances. When they catch her unprepared like the video I posted above and no one has written it out for her???
  
  
  

  "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson

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• jbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,252 Senior Member

  February 2019 #22

  Script reading of monitor. All involved have the answers prepared......
  
  
  

  "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson

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• RugerFan Senior Member Posts: 2,427 Senior Member

  February 2019 #23

  https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/open-letter-new-york-state-budget-director-robert-mujica-regarding-amazon?curator=MediaREDEF
  

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• CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 13,030 Senior Member

  February 2019 #24

  Ha, Mr Mujica is naming names and explains things nicely.

  I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11

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• Make_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,793 Senior Member

  February 2019 #25

  Republicans would have been "hung" had they been responsible for this economic disaster. Way to go New York!!
  

  JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
  

  THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!

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• Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,308 Senior Member

  February 2019 #26

  Good read.  Goes to prove how two faced elected officials are and how a few loud mouths can ruin everything

  Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5

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• tennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member

  February 2019 #27

  Good read on that link, RugerFan. ONE union and some self serving politicians killed a huge jobs project and a LOT of tax revenue the state desperately needs.
  

    “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
  ― Douglas Adams
  

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• bisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member

  March 2019 #28

  alphasigmookie said:

  Yeah this was fairly dumb. That said NY will be fine. Another city will benefit from their stupidity. I was actually pretty surprised Amazon picked NY and DC in the first place. They can have a much bigger impact pretty much anywhere else. 

  Establishment Democrats are horrified that all of their efforts to conceal the elitist nature of their ideology have been laid bare by these 'young Turks' that shout, "damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" If the old school radicals can regain control of the media, whom are presently infatuated with these bomb-throwing children, they can chase them off to the back-benches of Congress, where all of the 'righteous' go to die.
  

  
  

  But, if they cannot, they will end up having to defend the corrupt ideology that they have been pretending to oppose for the last 80 years, or so. If that happens, we may actually finally find out what Richard Nixon's 'silent majority' really thinks.
  

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• Fisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member

  March 2019 #29

  This morning the heads were saying that New York's governor and a bunch of city officials are pleading with Amazon to change their mind and come back. I personally wouldn't if I was Amazon. AOC had barely been in office for a month and considered driving Amazon away a great victory for New York. I don't see New York's business climate getting better with AOC around and actions have to have consequences. Maybe next time New Yorkers will put a little more thought into selecting a congressperson.

  snake284 wrote: »

  For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me

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• tennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member

  March 2019 #30

  People and businesses are leaving New York City and State in HUGE numbers. Probably tired of high taxes and the loony tune governments there.

  
  

  https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/01/15/fastest-growing-and-shrinking-states-closer-look/1019429001/

  
  

  https://nordic.businessinsider.com/state-population-growth-2016-2017-1
  

  
  
  

    “I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
  ― Douglas Adams
  

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• Teach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member

  March 2019 edited March 2019 #31

  A few years ago, Nissan moved their USA headquarters from California to Nashville Tennessee after having a couple of big manufacturing plants here for several years.  It wouldn't surprise me if the planned Amazon move of a distribution center to Nashville might suddenly turn into a LOT bigger operation.  Tennessee real estate is a lot more plentiful AND affordable, the tax base is totally different, and we don't have a bunch of obnoxious damyankees for them to have to put up with! 

     
  

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