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JonathanBailey
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The Public Education System: A Huge Fail for America
JonathanBailey
Posts: 58 Member
It's a shame whenever an American man can't provide for a wife and children. Old male pride once meant being financially successful: resourceful and competent in being a breadwinner whether he's a Hollywood actor, a doctor, a fisherman, a cowboy, a farmer, a lumberjack, a forest ranger, a policeman, a soldier, a carpenter, a lawyer, a business executive, a professional baseball player or a machinist.
Our education has system (or lack thereof) has short-changed men and boys. It started in 1972 with Title IX and has gotten progressively worse since then. It lead to a huge bogus quota system: akin to affirmative action. The female sex has been out-enrolling male students in colleges and universities and even out-participating the fellows in collegiate and HS varsity sports. Politicians have put so much effort "in advancing women and girls" to make them "feel good" about it that the male sex has been given a bad deal. It is natural law that the adult man be the breadwinner and the adult woman be the homemaker. Academic achievement and sometimes athletic achievement is necessary to make that possible. Another thing, there should be much more government funding for traditional trade schools too. The GI Bill, Pell Grants, scholarships, etc. should not be only eligible to be applied for for college/ academic/degree program studies but also for vocational training to be a carpenter, plumber, heavy equipment operator, welder, machinist, technician, truck driver, railroad worker, electrician etc,. because skilled trades are excellent and reliable sources of income especially for male family providers.
We as a nation should be focused more on being economically successful than just merely college-educated. A master's degree does no good if one can't get a job to pay the bills on time. If a man wants federal financial aid to be trained as a carpenter, he should have the same opportunity as if he were to want to become a medical doctor, a civil engineer or an architect. America's infrastructure is crumbling. We now need many more carpenters, welders and cat-skinners than computer geeks and attorneys.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/45-years-after-title-ix-americas-boys-need-equal-protection
Women now earn the majority of post-secondary degrees at every level. According to the U.S. Department of Education's National Center for Education Statistics, 52 percent of doctorates, 57 percent of master's degrees, 57 percent of bachelor degrees, and 61 percent of associate degrees are awarded to women.
Our education has system (or lack thereof) has short-changed men and boys. It started in 1972 with Title IX and has gotten progressively worse since then. It lead to a huge bogus quota system: akin to affirmative action. The female sex has been out-enrolling male students in colleges and universities and even out-participating the fellows in collegiate and HS varsity sports. Politicians have put so much effort "in advancing women and girls" to make them "feel good" about it that the male sex has been given a bad deal. It is natural law that the adult man be the breadwinner and the adult woman be the homemaker. Academic achievement and sometimes athletic achievement is necessary to make that possible. Another thing, there should be much more government funding for traditional trade schools too. The GI Bill, Pell Grants, scholarships, etc. should not be only eligible to be applied for for college/ academic/degree program studies but also for vocational training to be a carpenter, plumber, heavy equipment operator, welder, machinist, technician, truck driver, railroad worker, electrician etc,. because skilled trades are excellent and reliable sources of income especially for male family providers.
We as a nation should be focused more on being economically successful than just merely college-educated. A master's degree does no good if one can't get a job to pay the bills on time. If a man wants federal financial aid to be trained as a carpenter, he should have the same opportunity as if he were to want to become a medical doctor, a civil engineer or an architect. America's infrastructure is crumbling. We now need many more carpenters, welders and cat-skinners than computer geeks and attorneys.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/45-years-after-title-ix-americas-boys-need-equal-protection
Women now earn the majority of post-secondary degrees at every level. According to the U.S. Department of Education's National Center for Education Statistics, 52 percent of doctorates, 57 percent of master's degrees, 57 percent of bachelor degrees, and 61 percent of associate degrees are awarded to women.
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all's well that ends well then
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
Did you ever consider that maybe the area of academia that you worked in was "inefficient, wasteful, and has little relevancy to the real world"? I've done mechanical repair in various forms for the greater majority of my life and I use what I learned in chemistry, algebra, and geometry almost daily.
To the op, my significant other has a masters and two BA degrees and used all of that education to make children smarter and better adults. She retired in 2017 after 37 years of teaching and has a large list of former students that are successful adults who can attribute some of their sucess to learning how to read and write in school. The current education system is a huge mess and will get worse before it gets better but if a student actually wants to learn, the opportunity is available but if a student isn't interested in getting smarter, the system doesn't care as long as the scores and numbers look good. And Debbie is outside tilling the garden while I'm playing around on the internet. When she's done with the garden, she'll feed the horses and mow the pasture. Hopefully she won't break a nail.
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
I do pretty good as a tradesman and began as a carpenter. I learned to be a carpenter on the Job. Didn’t need to go to school for it. I also learned roofing, welding, plumbing, electrical, hvac, and you name it the same way. I do not like hiring guys out of a trade school. My experience is that they think they know more than they do, and it is hard to get them to unlearn some of the things they learned. I like starting with a blank slate.
Anyway my wife has a BS in chemistry, and biology. She also has an MBA in finance. She paid for her undergraduate with a 100% academic scholarship that she didn’t need a handout to get. She is like 10,000 times smarter than me, and I am glad she is a breadwinner. She doesn’t need to take **** from any man. I have a daughter on the way and she will be raised to achieve on her own also.
I think if a woman chooses to be a home maker it is her choice, not some cultural obligation.
ECHO...ECHO....echo...
Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!
Karma.........It’s a bitch.
As a 30-something year veteran of teaching in trade schools, either at the high school or vo-tech level, I've encountered dozens of snobs like "Accipiter", or whatever he used to call himself before he got banned the last time- - - - ("Rocketman", wasn't it?) guys who don't understand that trade schools are intended to teach "entry-level" skills. The 2 year course I taught for the state of Tennessee was intended to give a kid enough skills to get his foot in the door of the automotive business, and maybe make himself a subsistence wage while he moved from "apprentice" to "journeyman" level. Making that transition is difficult enough, without some sourpuss of a boss putting down his efforts to improve himself. Fortunately, the good ones will tell that guy to take his criticism and stuff it where the sun don't shine, and find a job where someone will mentor him into a well-rounded professional.
I’m some guy named Rocket Man
and I’m a sourpuss
I suppose I could make some assumption regarding you as well.
I said guys full of themselves. If I was hiring a kid that desired to learn and knew their shortcomings I would be on cloud nine. Most trade school grads I have dealt with think they had their 2 years of school and know everything. I fail to see how I would not benefit from someone who can be mentored into a well rounded professional. Any employee that learns and becomes productive is a benefit to a business of any description.
I think I will continue to hire the blank slate individuals. They are easier to mentor, teach entry level skills to, and move them from apprentice to journeyman. If that makes me a snob and a sourpuss so be it. I wear the labels with pride.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vO8E2e6G0
ECHO...ECHO....echo...
Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!
Karma.........It’s a bitch.
Have some aspects of the system been "failures"? I think it depends on your point of view... Title IX, has done what it was designed to do, in spades. I'm sorry, but that can ONLY be viewed as resounding success. However, I will agree that it has also had some unintended consequences that, to the conspiracy minded, look like part of an evil plan.
Does the question of intent really matter though? If an unintentional act (either by an individual, or, in this case, a governing body) has the same effect as an intentional one, is there really a difference? The list of government programs (which would include our public educational system) that have somehow "accomplished" something they weren't intended to, is both long and distinguished.
As far as more girls enrolling in college... seems to me that bodes well for boys entering college. Frankly, far too many of either sex enter college having ZERO idea as to what they're about, other than chasing tail... maybe less "young, dumb and full of you know what" isn't such a bad thing. Heck, maybe the boys have caught on to the fact that college isn't necessarily the best choice and have decided to do what men have done since the dawn of time... strike out on their own, looking to make their own way. That wouldn't be such a bad thing either, would it?
George Carlin
Give credit to folks who are "only" working in trades, in a factory, or in a service industry and still make a good living. In essence, they are showing these kids - not telling them - that a four year degree isn't necessary to lube life... which is likely far different from what they've been told in the past.
George Carlin
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
We'll add this to your list of absolute full of crap posts. That 16 year old is thinking more about the tatoos he plans to get than about the future of the world. Any concerns about the environment are implanted by liberal educators who can easily manipulate a young mind. Many young people were all for the new green deal but when asked to provide ideas and practicle solutions about transportation and food production, they were clueless.
a large but
very energy efficient list
allegedly