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The Public Education System: A Huge Fail for America

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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    I print out those posts, grind them up, and put them on my garden- - - - -we get to harvest some world-class vegetables by doing that!
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    What does email, texting, smartfones, or facesuck have to do with how to lead the country?
    Absolutely nothing.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    That's all nice, and true enough - but "technology" has nothing to do with how the country should be lead.
    I'm the first person who will lecture about the dangers of scams on (and off) the Internet, and regardless of who "shares" fake news, it all amounts to sheer idiocy as far as I'm concerned. And this has zero to do with the price of beans...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 885 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    What does email, texting, smartfones, or facesuck have to do with how to lead the country?
    Absolutely nothing.
    The point is that the world is rapidly changing.  As people get older on average they tend to get less flexible and become more out of touch with the world as it actually is. In other words a lot of their knowledge and expertise becomes obsolete, unless they are in the small minority who are constantly seeking out and updating knowledge and understanding.  

    The argument that young people are dumber and more easily manipulated doesn't hold either. If you look at the populations most likely to be the target of scams, it's almost always older people. The people on social media who most often share "fake news" tend older. They weren't born and raised with the internet and never fully developed the "immune system" to protect themselves from the pernicious side of technology. 


    Yep some older folk are saddly, stupid enough to believe that the IRS will call them and ask them to pay their tax bill with pre paid gift cards.  however your vaunted Mensa youth have to be told eating tide pods for YouTube views, and hanging off the side of construction cranes for Facebook likes, and trying to film themselves while dancing alongside their moving cars for twitter followers, might just be stupid and dangerous activities.  Please don’t make me laugh.  Sorry Alpha, unlike some here, most of the time I like your well thought out arguments, even though I may disagree, but the youth of this country have nowhere near the maturity needed to decide the fate of nations.  

    Of course anecdotal evidence to the contrary surely exists.


    Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.

    ECHO...ECHO....echo...

    Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!

    Karma.........It’s a bitch.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,635 Senior Member
    bisley said:
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    At some point, many of the higher education institutions drifted too far into political strategies, and the line between truth and dogma became blurred. Dogma was probably originally invented as a tool to control children and idiots, and those who benefited the most from possessing that contro, wanted more children and more idiots to do their bidding.

    Wisdom comes from learning how to recognize the difference between truth and dogma, and it becomes a rare intellectual commodity, during radical times.
    Mostly the reason the left wants 16 year-olds to vote. Can you imagine what a cluster.....k that would be?
    You can make a stronger case for a 16 year old to vote than an 80 year old. The 16 year old has to live a lifetime with the decisions politicians make. The 80 year old has maybe a decade at best. Yes the 80 year old presumably has more knowledge and wisdom about how the world was, but the 16 year old knows a lot better about what the world is going to be. I think a lot problems in politics stem from the fact that it's dominated by old people focused on what used to be and little understanding of what is and will be. We live in a dynamic and rapidly changing world dominated by technology, and we're ruled by people who barely know how to email or text.
    This is extremely laughable, I can't believe you typed this. Speaking as a parent of teenagers at this time.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    The typical16 year old doesn't have a friggin' clue about anything other than his/her smartfone, social media, and chasing the opposite gender.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    A study was reported on NPR that younger people actually have a more difficult time differentiating between news that's fact or fiction.

    The general characterization of groups of people is fraught with mistakes. Including the NPR report.

    Cognitive function suffers with select groups of the elderly the same as realistic interpretive perception may be lacking with select groups of pre adult adolescents.

    Voter eligibility shouldn't be subject to arbitrary prejudice.
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 3,967 Senior Member
    edited May 2019 #39
    Not too smart..........



    There are some bright young people out there but they're in the minority. Most ain't as bright as you give them credit for.

    The majority of the ones I've seen are more obsessed with impressing friends and other young people over the internet. I've yet to walk in on a conversation among young people discussing world politics. That is..... Unless they've been directly affected by some tragic event. That's when they mobilize but still not in overwhelming numbers like you suggest.

    I suspect they'll grow up more informed than they're classmates who haven't had such experiences but at 16 they really only know what's been told to them by other adults, parents or teachers.

    Despite the huge wealth of knowledge that is the internet, it's also a modern playground for young people still doing young people things.

    Barring adults with serious cognitive decline, I'll hedge my bet on the 80 year old.

    After all, how do you expect to learn from history if the only history you know is your own.

    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    When that "history" is constantly being rewritten by people with an agenda to push or an axe to grind, there's no wonder most people under the age of 50 have no clue what really happened as recently as the 1960's, let alone a few centuries ago! 
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    I think there's pretty good reason the voter eligibility age is commensurate with legal adult age. Including protection of the under aged.


  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,667 Senior Member
    What does "let everyone" mean?
    The usual Liberal crap of allowing non-citizens to vote?
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,635 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    What does "let everyone" mean?
    The usual Liberal crap of allowing non-citizens to vote?
    Does this mean incarcerated people too?
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,398 Senior Member
    I sorta scanned through this mess. Here's what I know as fact since I watched it happen in real time.
    Right after the Vietnam war was lost by the scum sucking politicians in D.C., Jimmy 'Mr. Peanut' Carter got elected POTUS. On bad advice, he got the U.S. Department of Education rammed through Congress with the help of a bunch of Progressive (communist/socialist) filth not fit to breathe. From that point, the Progressives changed the curriculum from education to indoctrination camps for the communist/socialist/progressive agenda. It gained speed, and here we are.

    PARENTS are also a big part of the problem, and have been since the 1960s. The fools LET THE SCHOOLS TURN INTO REEDUCATION CAMPS. The all too many parents abdicated responsibility for raising the children they bred and didn't even bother to train them at home to be productive adults, and we've ended up with a lot of worthless human detritus not even fit for cannon fodder, much less as contributing adults in society.

    Feral humans are as useful as feral cats and dogs, and deserve the same respect when they get out of line and go on a rampage. What level of respect is that, you ask? Shot as soon as they start burning and pillaging, and as early as possible to keep down the damage. I've shot my share of feral dogs that saw my cattle as 'chew toys' and easy food, and see no difference with the human feral population that would prey on others. Training in schools have set up these sorry conditions; that is cold hard fact. And one of the easiest and most effective ways to get the attention of feral animals is to eliminate them with extreme prejudice. The others that live the initial onslaught learn where and, more importantly, WHO to avoid at all costs if they value their worthless hides. Works for feral dogs, and they aren't as intelligent as humans, for the most part; there are some exceptionally brain cell deficient feral humans out there.

    BTW, my filter on being 'nice' in my posts broke a while back regarding political stuff. The above is an example. There will be more like this, so stand by, batten down the hatches for rough weather, and enjoy my rants. I'm old, tired, and don't care what ya think of my opinions. Just read 'em and have a laugh! I can be entertaining on occasion.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    Spk said:
    Not too smart..........



    There are some bright young people out there but they're in the minority. Most ain't as bright as you give them credit for.

    The majority of the ones I've seen are more obsessed with impressing friends and other young people over the internet. I've yet to walk in on a conversation among young people discussing world politics. That is..... Unless they've been directly affected by some tragic event. That's when they mobilize but still not in overwhelming numbers like you suggest.

    I suspect they'll grow up more informed than they're classmates who haven't had such experiences but at 16 they really only know what's been told to them by other adults, parents or teachers.

    Despite the huge wealth of knowledge that is the internet, it's also a modern playground for young people still doing young people things.



    I think some of you have forgotten some the dangerous **** you did as a kid/teen. We generally did not have cameras around to record our stupidity. I can think of three events that could've killed me, had I not been lucky.

    And way back then we did some of this stuff to impress those around us. 

    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    I can think of at least that many, myself - and that's just the ones where alcohol was NOT involved. There is a very cynical reason why the military recruits high school kids so vigorously.

    Beyond that, most kids, today, probably absorb whatever political news they seek from Yahoo (which bears that name for a good reason).

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