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  • N454casullN454casull Member Posts: 675 Senior Member
    The guys go to move was to suggest/threaten to kill some one if he disagreed with them or something they were doing. To say that’s a good move in this day in age is laughable. I’ve never met the man in person, frankly don’t want to. He was very quick to point out key board jockeys. So I’m left to assume he’s not one and if he disagreed with me I’d be shot. 

    In the end we all say stuff we shouldn’t I get that but at some point in time enough is enough. This isn’t something new I remember having a conversation with a very prominent/respected  member here about it 2 hunting seasons ago. So it’s been going on for a long time. 

    I for one am glad to see some of the people leave, the form seems less hostile these days. I believe I’ve been here the longest of anyone now. I joined the winter of 1998 I believe. I’ve seen a lot of people come and go. And come to realize this is just a place on the internet. There’s good people and and people but what happens here isn’t the end of the world. 
  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    I have nothing but good things to say about Jerry.  Teach never did me wrong, nor offended me, and always was helpful to the point of giving more than asked.  We all have some opinions that might offend some others, and faults.  Friends accept their friends faults, know them, and still enjoy their company.  FWIW, I think you did not help yourselves banning Jerry.  

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,164 Senior Member
    edited May 2019 #34
    What does "helping ourselves" have to do with anything?
    A well respected person started treating people badly, ignored warnings to stop and got banned...If you think that's something any of us actually wanted to do, you probably ought to think again
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,766 Senior Member
    edited May 2019 #35
    Just for the record.......

    I've been a moderator here for 12-13 years now. I've seen a lot of folks come and go. Some of their own accord, while some needed escort to the door.

    In that time, though, I've not seen a SINGLE member banned due their opinion on a subject, (Anti-2A types being the sole exception to the rule and that's just how it is and how it will remain).

    Forum conduct, or more accurately, miss-conduct, is what gets the ban button pushed. Opinions don't really matter to us mods. 

    Conduct does, though.

    Mike



    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    edited May 2019 #36
    The guys go to move was to suggest/threaten to kill some one if he disagreed with them or something they were doing. To say that’s a good move in this day in age is laughable. I’ve never met the man in person, frankly don’t want to. He was very quick to point out key board jockeys. So I’m left to assume he’s not one and if he disagreed with me I’d be shot. 

    In the end we all say stuff we shouldn’t I get that but at some point in time enough is enough. This isn’t something new I remember having a conversation with a very prominent/respected  member here about it 2 hunting seasons ago. So it’s been going on for a long time. 

    I for one am glad to see some of the people leave, the form seems less hostile these days. I believe I’ve been here the longest of anyone now. I joined the winter of 1998 I believe. I’ve seen a lot of people come and go. And come to realize this is just a place on the internet. There’s good people and and people but what happens here isn’t the end of the world. 
    I'd like you to link to where he specifically threatened to kill you or anyone else.  Saying someone should be put to death for something is not a threat, its an opinion.  Others express that type of opinion frequentlywith regard to certain groups or individuals.  He did more for this forum than you or I ever will.  Unfortunately he was too opinionated for some even if most of those opinions were correct in most eyes.  His BS meter was pretty acute and said as much when it off.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,268 Senior Member
    There seems to be a lot of finger pointing and comments on what was said, then someone else says that is not what was said.
    Why was the thread deleted instead of locked?  Maybe if everyone knew what actually was said, the action would not be doubted
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • N454casullN454casull Member Posts: 675 Senior Member
    The perfect example, is the now gone motorcycle thread. He didn’t like crotch rockets and said basically if you ride one you should be shot by the nearest armed citizen. Did he mean it don’t know, he wasn’t a “key board ****”. Let’s just say for the sake of saying he didn’t mean it. Do you really think that in this day it’s a good idea to even imply someone should be shot? Look at the news every week there’s an attack that’s based on the hate of someone or something. So did he mean it probably not was it a good idea definitely not. 
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    edited May 2019 #39
    He never threatened harm to anyone. Vaguely or specifically.  He expressed disapproval of the way some people ride crotch rocketes on public streets, including those bragging about it on the thread.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,164 Senior Member
    edited May 2019 #40
    The thread in question was not deleted, I often move threads that have become contentious to the Moderators Forum In this case I moved it there because one of our members used it to call the Mods the vulgar term for female genitalia that starts with a C...normally I would have banned the person on the spot, but I figured emotions were running a little high and I decided to cut him some slack but wasn't going to leave it out there for anyone else to pile on...

    Short story..It's over, the thread isn't coming back, theres nothing to prove or disprove, whole debacle is over...let it go
    It's done...

    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,766 Senior Member
    Bamaak,

    How dense can you be? While I certainly wouldn't accuse Teach of specifically threatening a specific individual, one would be hard pressed to argue that a routine cheer of "hang them from the nearest lamp post"  or somebody  "should be shot" is a great sentiment to repeatedly express on a Pro-2A forum.

    You can see that.....Right?

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,164 Senior Member
    Baamak...

    You are still focusing on that single thread...in spite of being told (multiple times now) that Teach's banning was about a pattern of behavior over the last few years...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • N454casullN454casull Member Posts: 675 Senior Member
    To be clear on my part, I was just referring to that thread as it was the most recent time I could recall. That it’s gone is inconsequential to me. 
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    edited May 2019 #44
    It seemed to be the straw that broke the moderators back so to speak.  

    As I said, he is not the only one that expressed his opinion as to certain groups or individuals in a group should be disposed of.  How many times has it been said Muslims or liberals or ANTIFA snowflakes or Nancy Pelosi should "assume room temperature" by some means.  I'm not dense, but I too have opinions.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    Hopefully my assessment based on limited data is wrong or having some time away from the forum will help him turn things around. Life is to short to spend it being grumpy all the time.
    This is pretty ironic considering that you appear to derive great joy in agitating and trolling the older conservatives on this forum.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Buford said:
    I'm surprised it took this long for him to get banned.  I always figured it was because of him hosting the shoot that he got so much slack.  His off color remarks his hostility to new members and even old timers had to stop.  He was definitely a wealth of information as was MK45 and NYgunowner. I almost got banned with MK45 I was told one more remark about God and I was out the door. I decided to side on the side of caution and stopped MK45 didn't.  I was banned for crimes at another forum only problem was if you were banned on one you got banned from all of them. Same thing happened to Gene L. The Marshall helped me out of that one.
    I really don't see why many can't understand why this happened.
    MK41
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,766 Senior Member
    Okay Fish. 


    Knock it off. This isn't the time or place.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,922 Senior Member
    Buford said:
    I'm surprised it took this long for him to get banned.  I always figured it was because of him hosting the shoot that he got so much slack.  His off color remarks his hostility to new members and even old timers had to stop.  He was definitely a wealth of information as was MK45 and NYgunowner. I almost got banned with MK45 I was told one more remark about God and I was out the door. I decided to side on the side of caution and stopped MK45 didn't.  I was banned for crimes at another forum only problem was if you were banned on one you got banned from all of them. Same thing happened to Gene L. The Marshall helped me out of that one.
    I really don't see why many can't understand why this happened.
    MK41
    MKK41 if we want to be super correct.
    I'm just here for snark.
  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    Buford said:
    I'm surprised it took this long for him to get banned.  I always figured it was because of him hosting the shoot that he got so much slack.  His off color remarks his hostility to new members and even old timers had to stop.  He was definitely a wealth of information as was MK45 and NYgunowner. I almost got banned with MK45 I was told one more remark about God and I was out the door. I decided to side on the side of caution and stopped MK45 didn't.  I was banned for crimes at another forum only problem was if you were banned on one you got banned from all of them. Same thing happened to Gene L. The Marshall helped me out of that one.
    I really don't see why many can't understand why this happened.
    MK41

    Buford said:
    I'm surprised it took this long for him to get banned.  I always figured it was because of him hosting the shoot that he got so much slack.  His off color remarks his hostility to new members and even old timers had to stop.  He was definitely a wealth of information as was MK45 and NYgunowner. I almost got banned with MK45 I was told one more remark about God and I was out the door. I decided to side on the side of caution and stopped MK45 didn't.  I was banned for crimes at another forum only problem was if you were banned on one you got banned from all of them. Same thing happened to Gene L. The Marshall helped me out of that one.
    I really don't see why many can't understand why this happened.
    MK41
    MKK41 if we want to be super correct.
    You are correct.
    Just look at the flowers Lizzie, just look at the flowers.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,766 Senior Member
    MKK41 if we want to be super correct.


    MKK41.....my worst day here as a mod. His only fault I could find was a rabid anti-Catholisism  that he just couldn't contain once the subject was broached.

    We don't discuss religion, abortion, or shooting cats here because of days like that.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Buford said:
    I'm surprised it took this long for him to get banned.  I always figured it was because of him hosting the shoot that he got so much slack.  His off color remarks his hostility to new members and even old timers had to stop.  He was definitely a wealth of information as was MK45 and NYgunowner. I almost got banned with MK45 I was told one more remark about God and I was out the door. I decided to side on the side of caution and stopped MK45 didn't.  I was banned for crimes at another forum only problem was if you were banned on one you got banned from all of them. Same thing happened to Gene L. The Marshall helped me out of that one.
    I really don't see why many can't understand why this happened.
    MK41
    MKK41 if we want to be super correct.
    Yes👍
  • ShannonHayesShannonHayes Posts: 211 Member
    RugerFan said:
    I've attended 1 SE Shoot. Teach was a very nice and accomodating host. Idk why he is the way he is online.

    It happens frequently. Alpha continuously antagonizes conservatives on this forum with his snide comments and spun data to stir a reaction but in person he's a pretty nice guy. But then he's a pretty little guy also.

    I'm a little guy, 5'4", weight fluctuates between 100 - around 115 lb.'s, but I don't say anything online that I wouldn't say to anybody's face. If I say anything "heated" to somebody online, I'll say it to their face in person. That's how I was brought up. 
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,746 Senior Member
    Things not to do.
    We all agreed to it when we signed up on this forum.
    (d) the publication of any content that is objectionable or illegal (including, without limitation, content that is indecent, obscene, infringing, an invasion of privacy, defamatory, disparaging, false, deceptive, misleading, untruthful, fraudulent, threatening or abusive);

    This ain't not our house, we're guests here.
    The mods just enforce and in many cases let slide. It's up to them, it really is.

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    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    First time I met him I went up to give him a hand with stuff the day before the shoot about 5 or 6 years ago.  It was raining doo we didn't get much done but we sat at that kitchen table and he awed me with his knowledge and workmanship.  Showed me a bunch of stuff he had built .  I told him he should write a book about mausers.  I was just getting into reloading and he offered me a whole setup to borrow til I got all my own.  Showed me all around his shop and garage and told me of plans for much of his stuff.  A very enjoyable and educational afternoon.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 5,052 Senior Member
    I din't know Teach, never met him, I only know that several years ago I posted trying to find some metric gun screws, the only place that had them wanted $18.00 each, Jerry sent me a PM and asked for the pitch, diameter, and length and my address, said they'll be in the mail tomorrow no charge, I'm quite sure he had more important things to do other than set up the lathe and make them. Over the years reading on the forum the countless people he has helped, made him a very valuable member. Like others that have gone I will miss him, but i do have his phone number, I consider him and Miss Mary my friends.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,367 Senior Member
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    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    You can't judge Jerry or ANYONE from what you hear or see on the internet. But like has been said here, he did far more good than bad and far more good than myself or any of us have done on the forum. Yeah he got on my ass a few times but that was just him. Nobody was immune to his tongue when he lashed out. But it didn't bother me in the least. I am like Zorba in that respect. Sticks and Stones may break my Bones but Words will never hurt me. Especially when there's a lot to be gained after the ass chewing. And no, I don't think he was right all the time. But I'm an old curmudgeon too. We have our moments. Jerry was one of the nuts and bolts of this place. I don't know if it will ever be the same without him. I've seen some who are held in reverence around here disagree with his opinions. One in particular is pretty vocal about his beliefs. But teach just stated his claim and never said anything anymore about it. No doubt he would have reminded the offender if he was proven right. I believe Jerry was right. I'm not following blindly but Jerry's opinion was the same as what I was taught. In my opinion he's never been really wrong, but he has had different opinions than me. But that doesn't really bother me. We all have a right to our opinion and we all have a right to defend it.

    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • gunner81gunner81 Member Posts: 632 Senior Member
    If you take someone saying that someone on a crotch rocket should be shot as a threat so be it I would consider it an expression. I try not to get too opinionated on these boards because we don't know who were talking to but when I get pissed off I will give my opinion like it or not and banning is a choice someone else will make.i looked forward to reading Teaches posts and there are a few others on here too. Then there are the ones that peg the **** meter and I won't waste my time opening their posts
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