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Banned members, why and should they have been.
I have been on this forum a very long time. Some of us since it was a page on the Florida Sportsman Fishing Forum. People come and go on these boards. Some scared away some banned. a few to me stand out and seeing it was part of one of my last phone conversations with Big Chief, it has been in my mind. One that stands out was Sam Waas. We still talk about Sam and he passed away 3 years ago and was banned by moderator before then. Sam was a scientist, technical writer, front runner in computer tech and a successful author of fiction. A darn successful person, that called this forum a piece of home. He was accused of pushing sales of his books, but reality is, anyone that showed an interest was emailed them for free. I read all of them for free, the last two before they were published. Sam even asked for the opinion of forum members while writing I for one think he was done wrong by this forum. Another more recent ban and one that has all but left this once forum loved by many a shell of what it once was. Teach. Mr. Jerry was here a very long time, friend to many, mentor to some.
Could he be outspoken? Sure, did he take BS? Absolutely not. Some even gave him grief on here, but yet he Hosted the Guns and Ammo SE Shoot every year. Jerry and his family welcomed everyone on to his land and into his home. Heated political discussions were left on the forum and everyone got along and had a great time. Then the moderators banned Teach. He was mad but also hurt. He did as much if not more than anyone on this forum to include the moderators. Even after banning him from his forum family Teach still hosted the SE Shoot and said he will continue. How is that for good people? As the result of his banning, many and I mean a whole lot of members held up their middle finger and walked away. So many that a very interesting thread will get a few comments and fizzle.
There have been several others banned. Shush is one that comes to mind. I was in Germany when that happened and still am unsure why.
Wambli left on his own, really doesn't talk about it much, but one does wonder...
Others threatened members and found themselves kicked out as it should be.
But while many on here post pictures and make comments about new purchases and finds, pretty much to show off a bit and share, they do not get banned Sam showed off and bragged about his writings and gor banned. Jerry comments about a Mod and gets banned, Shus . I dont know?
How many others? Anybody remember them? And why do the moderators not tell us why?
Who are the moderators accountable to? I certainly hope more than their own ego, it certainly doesnt seem to be the forum family lately.
Could he be outspoken? Sure, did he take BS? Absolutely not. Some even gave him grief on here, but yet he Hosted the Guns and Ammo SE Shoot every year. Jerry and his family welcomed everyone on to his land and into his home. Heated political discussions were left on the forum and everyone got along and had a great time. Then the moderators banned Teach. He was mad but also hurt. He did as much if not more than anyone on this forum to include the moderators. Even after banning him from his forum family Teach still hosted the SE Shoot and said he will continue. How is that for good people? As the result of his banning, many and I mean a whole lot of members held up their middle finger and walked away. So many that a very interesting thread will get a few comments and fizzle.
There have been several others banned. Shush is one that comes to mind. I was in Germany when that happened and still am unsure why.
Wambli left on his own, really doesn't talk about it much, but one does wonder...
Others threatened members and found themselves kicked out as it should be.
But while many on here post pictures and make comments about new purchases and finds, pretty much to show off a bit and share, they do not get banned Sam showed off and bragged about his writings and gor banned. Jerry comments about a Mod and gets banned, Shus . I dont know?
How many others? Anybody remember them? And why do the moderators not tell us why?
Who are the moderators accountable to? I certainly hope more than their own ego, it certainly doesnt seem to be the forum family lately.
Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
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Mods should be made to state why they ban someone, they are not dictators and if they think they are or act like one, maybe they should be banned. Guns and ammo keeps this forum for the clicks. Without sponsors. Clicks go away, without members there are no clicks. Keep banning it chasing away the people that get the most clicks, there is no need for mods and eventually the magazine itself.
Talk about death by moderator from a different view point
I think you've forgotten the Marshall. He threatened to ban me once because I was the first person to post about the Fast and Furious sting. He said I was posting fake news before the term was coined. He said he wouldn't tolerate internet hoaxes on the forum. He passed right around that time so I cannot know if he was serious.
The current mods are very tolerant in my opinion. They could've zapped me on several occasions and didn't. They laid out the rules and I've stuck to them. Opinions are fine, no personal attacks on members, no threats, and no soliciting. The mods have always said "we let you hang yourself". I cannot recall anyone banned without at least one warning prior.
I've also seen members banned without explanation but I didn't always catch whatever thread was involved. Usually the thread itself is removed so no going back to reflect on the commentary. Leaving the thread for members to review might be a step towards accountability. I imagine we'd argue endlessly if the banning was justified or not.
I will include a general observation: Anyone who defends the left or a liberal policy takes more of a beating and it is generally allowed.
Adam J. McCleod
I'm not sure what happened to Chris but most of his posts were very entertaining as well as Wambli's. I came back about the time that Teach got the hammer and did have a chance to read the last thread he participated in.
I have always liked this place and even though I've only met one other member in person I still consider most my friends.
I hope this place will always exist and I will always feel at home and feel like I belong.
-96 lbs
He just got to sick to be on here much. He did,t comment, but still read when he could
There is hardly any one that even comments anymore, some people move on as life changes, lately most have gone elsewhere because of moderators actions and comments.
When I wrote the original post this morning I was in a dark mood. Now I wonder if the mods will take exception for me calling them out for what I think were some bad decisions
-96 lbs
His reply was that knew he should ban Sam out of fairness, but he felt sorry for him.
As far as the marketing goes, he was posting links and info that got actual posters the ban hammer.
Also, I remember more than a few folks getting put into timeout in the old days as a warning. Modern software doesn't allow that I suppose. But I remember all of the long-standing members who got banned having numerous warnings by mods in various threads.
As far as this forum, I know myself and some others have stepped back because we're tired of the complaining, lack of humor by several, conspiracy theories, and the desire of some to turn this into a Republican echo chamber.
Any opinions? What do the moderators think?
Plain and simple, I miss Jerry. I do not know enough about his behavior here that got him banned, but I know a good person when I see them and deal with them. Jerry and Mary have always been first class to me.
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Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
It may be that many of the personal relationships that began here transcend the narrow margins avialable within this medium. Margins that can't be as accommodating as those individual relationships.
And also the members who have been mentioned as being banned weren't banned due to posts in politics.
Getting rid of 2nd amendment forum is like asking the Government to censor what you watch on tv. If one doesn’t like it, then don’t read it or participate.
ECHO...ECHO....echo...
Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!
Karma.........It’s a bitch.
I have a 13yr old son whom I have regular conversations with about “it’s not exactly what you said, it’s how you said it” I think many times here things are said that could be phrased differently. But in most cases aren’t because then the statement wouldn’t be as inflammatory and the person would get less attention.
Seems that in some situations some people take the "chip in the shoulder" more seriously than they should and things escalate to the point of getting out of control rather quickly.
I remember the border patrol agent from Texas with a rotten big toe that was a blast: Outspoken, harsh and opinionated with a dark sense of humor that got him in troubles to the point of getting banned....too bad.
Other members seem to have eventually faded away, maybe in part due to some folks' attitudes, but can't recall too many bannings.
Adam J. McCleod
I hated to ban Sam. He was a really good guy, and one I really wish I had met before he passed. But he repeatedly broke one of our very few rules about advertising.
The only person that got Teach banned was Teach. He was repeatedly warned, and given a LOT more chances than anyone else has ever been given. He is another I hated to see go, I consider him a friend, and he did me some solid favors over the years.
A lot of the “hard” part of being a moderator here is having to make those kinds of calls. Having to ban people you consider friends, and you have to consider that part of the reason they push the line is because they are friends with the mods.
-Mikhail Kalashnikov
Very few bannings are ever undertaken without conversation between all the Moderators, mostly looking for a way NOT to ban someone...especially when it comes to long time members...
Additionally, none of the bannings that you mentioned were a bolt out of the blue...those people were warned, repeatedly, publicly on the forum and privately about what was going to happen if they kept up what they were doing...
It's pretty damned simple..play by the rules, treat others decently and we won't be put in a position to have to "moderate" anyone...
So, may I assume that the next time the need for a new moderator arises, we have your permission to put your name at the top of the list to contact?
Don’t be an ass. Pretty simple.