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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,382 Senior Member
    Gene L said:
    Maybe she was on Jenny Criag.  I LOVE the 7mm Mauser.  I don't think there is a better all around caliber out there.  Yes, more efficient, yes, greater velocity.  But not better.  I also like the 6.5 x 55 Swede.
    The LAST thing I need is another deer rifle, but yeah.  I have a voice that would like to build one on a modern action ('98 Mauser) so that I can reject all the small-ring load data and make the 7x57 sing.

    Getting nerdy on the old stuff like I do, it's funny how 19th and 20th Century nationalism needlessly complicated our cartridge choices.  For example, why the U.S. sort of copied the .303 British with the .30-40 Krag when they could have just straight-up used the .303 British. . .  There wasn't a whole lot of smokeless small bore military centerfire before the 7x57, and the massive pile that came after never really stacked the pyramid higher - I mean hell - - after WDM Bell and his pile of dead elephants, what more did we realistically need?
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,552 Senior Member
    Seems a pretty cool and effective cartridge. If I was building from scratch and not trying to play historical correctness, I’d probably opt for a .284 Winchester. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,277 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    5.5 year old teeth 

    A method of aging. 
    Gotcha, I thought there was some disease process going on there I could not figure out that accounted for her weight loss.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,382 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Seems a pretty cool and effective cartridge. If I was building from scratch and not trying to play historical correctness, I’d probably opt for a .284 Winchester. 
    The .284 is a cartridge I can't decide if it was designed by a genius, a mad genius, a total idiot, or a committee.  My dad's long had a fascination with it, so I've been in the reserve trench, as it were.

    The idea originally was .30-06 powder capacity with a short action length lever action (Model 88), but the short action length and short neck make heavier bullets a bit of a complex proposition - that also cut into your powder capacity somewhat negating the original intent.

    Our NRA Highpower career was during the fad of the short, fat powder column, and the .284 seemed rather tailor made for that mindset.  Dad built his XTC rifle on a long action .30-06 700.  As I recall, he needed to either lengthen the throat or order a full custom reamer to seat the bullets out into the long 700 box to get the powder capacity where he wanted it.  Being an older 700 action, it had the riveted extractor and he broke a couple of them - possibly due to the dynamics of the rebated rim.  Ended up with a Sako extractor in that gun, which is now a .280 Ackley improved.

    I've pretty much decided an standard .280 with a 1-9 twist and the throat lengthened from factory spec to maximize use of the 700's mag box is the way to skin that particular cat.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 4,566 Senior Member
    So what's next, 8x56R perhaps ;)
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,552 Senior Member
    sakodude said:
    So what's next, 8x56R perhaps ;)
    That gal comes with too much baggage. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 12,068 Senior Member
    sakodude said:
    So what's next, 8x56R perhaps ;)
    Mosin Nagant
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,552 Senior Member
    👎🏻
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,552 Senior Member
    A Trap Door or Sharps would be nice. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 8,512 Senior Member
    +1 on the Trapdoor! There's still a lot of them available and I've seen them at reasonable prices, under $1000. I went to a BP shoot last year and several guys were shooting Trapdoors at 600 yards and hammering the gongs! They had the 1884 model with the Buffington  rear sights, more of a target sight similar to the 1903. 
  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 4,566 Senior Member
    sakodude said:
    So what's next, 8x56R perhaps ;)
    Mosin Nagant
    more specifically  a Finnish captured Mosin Nagant 91/30 with a Sako barrel on it.
    your bound to be able to group well with it. :#  
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,615 Senior Member
    Big Al1 said:
    The 7x57 makes it so easy you can hunt bare foot!! WOW! Quite a hole from such an old, obsolete rifle!! Would still like to see what a 175 grain RN would do!!
    It would likely kill a little deader.  :)
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    The trapdoor would be another one that was surplused to many deer hunters way back when. Somewhere I have an old story from Outdoor Life magazine of a youngster taking his first deer with the old Springfield using what was at that time government surplus blackpowder ammunition.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,762 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    Zee said:
    Seems a pretty cool and effective cartridge. If I was building from scratch and not trying to play historical correctness, I’d probably opt for a .284 Winchester. 
    The .284 is a cartridge I can't decide if it was designed by a genius, a mad genius, a total idiot, or a committee.  My dad's long had a fascination with it, so I've been in the reserve trench, as it were.

    The idea originally was .30-06 powder capacity with a short action length lever action (Model 88), but the short action length and short neck make heavier bullets a bit of a complex proposition - that also cut into your powder capacity somewhat negating the original intent.

    Our NRA Highpower career was during the fad of the short, fat powder column, and the .284 seemed rather tailor made for that mindset.  Dad built his XTC rifle on a long action .30-06 700.  As I recall, he needed to either lengthen the throat or order a full custom reamer to seat the bullets out into the long 700 box to get the powder capacity where he wanted it.  Being an older 700 action, it had the riveted extractor and he broke a couple of them - possibly due to the dynamics of the rebated rim.  Ended up with a Sako extractor in that gun, which is now a .280 Ackley improved.

    I've pretty much decided an standard .280 with a 1-9 twist and the throat lengthened from factory spec to maximize use of the 700's mag box is the way to skin that particular cat.
    Ho...hmmm.......I'm going to doze off in front of the fireplace ....again.

    Wiki .270 Win.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
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