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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,096 Senior Member
    I used to say "The glacial pace of (our) HR" - 6 months wasn't unusual at all.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 6,707 Senior Member
    In 1983, I was working Sugarland, Tx.  I liked the job, but hated living there as it's basically a Houston suburb.  We decided to move to Salt Lake City for personal reasons.

    I contacted a head hunter who got me an interview with a company there.  I flew in, interviewed, and came home the same day with a job.  Four years later I changed jobs, and had the same experience.  I had a job offer in less than a few days after interviewing.

    I realize that this is not the way it always (usually?) works, and I've long maintained that a human resources department is the largest impediment to a person getting a job with a company, or a company hiring the right personnel.

    It's too bad that companies have such requirements when trying to fill vacancies.  I don't know if it's strictly company policy, or government mandated.
    HR in some companies is horrendous.  I’ve had job interviews in hours some before I left the first meeting over a phone.  Those are the companies where business management is still in charge.

    On the other edge of the universe I was courted by TWO different executives at another big company and after getting verbals from both of them that I was the guy they wanted in both cases HR came in at the last moment and inserted an internal candidate that had been displaced and they had to find a hole for.  

    This process took over a year and a half.  They just called me again to tell me they had a job I would be interested in and guess what my response was...  That is a company ruled by HR and Lawyers.
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,096 Senior Member
    GunNut said:
    ...that I was the guy they wanted in both cases HR came in at the last moment and inserted an internal candidate...
    I've had this happen to me as well. If you're gonna promote from within, don't waste my time!

    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,559 Senior Member
    alphasigmookie said:
    Yeah a lot has changed in 30 years...
    Really? Took me less than a 3 weeks from the time I sent a resume + application until I got my current job. Was tentatively offered the job in 4 days, the rest was waiting on the background check.  
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,132 Senior Member
    There is a huge shortage of nurses. I am shocked it took 3 weeks.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,559 Senior Member
    edited December 2019 #37
    There is a huge shortage of nurses. I am shocked it took 3 weeks.
    Like I said, the vast majority of that time was waiting for the state mandated background check.
    Alabama likes to have a good idea who they're locking in their hospital full of NGRI (not guilty by reason of insanity) patients.

    Actually less than half the patients I deal with every week are "red charts" (Regular patients have blue charts) but I also work on co-ed units.

    FYI,  psych patients LOVE to claim assault/abuse, especially if you won't let them do something they want to. Some will even threaten, "If you don't let/give me _____, I'll say you hit/groped/raped me"

    Needless to say, I make sure that I have a female staff member with me any time I have to go into a female patient's room, or have a female patient in the exam room. (No cameras)
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,495 Senior Member
    Its a problem that has come from hiring being removed from the people who do the work.

    It used to be that HR's job was to collect the resumes and present them to the first and second level of supervision. Now, because the people in charge are business degrees with no real experience, HR types have the time to write a paper about how they can pick better personnel than the people doing the work. Since having a business degree doesnt mean you actually know how the company runs and they tend to look down on the people who make it function, they believe the HR degree people. HR needs to justify their existence so the process gets drawn out so they can look like they are needed.

    I have worked from the time that first level supervision made the call, took about 2 weeks to be hired, until now when it takes months to hire a guy to do the same job I was hired to originally and I have to say the group I started with that was interviewed by people who did the work, are still working there or moved on to other places after being good at the job they were hired for. Not to many that have been hired in the last 10 years were/are worth the months it took to get them there. Maybe 50% stayed, and a lot of them look better on paper than in the feild.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,518 Senior Member
    Im all for helping people that need it, but when you buy your junk food at 7-11 with your SNAP card (or whatever the heck they want to call it now) and then get into an AMG 63 I have a lot of issues.  I had a chance to see it doing security upgrades in the city schools.  Parents that claimed to have zero income would show up in Escalades and BMWs.  We have apprentices that will only work 3-4 days a week so that they can keep government assistance.  I see enough abuses to feel that the majority of the people in my area on assistance, probably shouldnt be.  We even have JIWs that will game the system to collect as much sub pay and unenjoyment as they can instead of just working.  People are lazy and want to do as little as they have to.  Right now we have guys at work that dont do anything since they know that we have to have the manpower on the job and calls at the hall are going unfilled due to full employment.  I would say that 1/3-1/2 of the job manpower could be eliminated and productivity would stay the same or improve.  
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,096 Senior Member
    Its a problem that has come from hiring being removed from the people who do the work.

    This is an interesting post, something I wasn't aware of at all.
    Then there's the whole "check social media" nonsense that goes on nowadays as well.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,252 Senior Member
    In my experience people who are homeless or on public assistance fall into a number of categories. Very few of them would truly fall into the "just lazy" category, but yes sure there are people who will try to abuse any system. 





    If you grew up around Columbus and didn't see generational welfare families then you grew up.....



    I had a very close window into that world. My older brother is a worthless POS welfare scammer. He hasn't worked a total of 5 years out of 63....... When you are a WPOS, your friends are usually more WPOSs. Every time a new rule or benefit comes out, the info is spread around like a new tool at a construction site. They teach each other how to scam the system.

    At least 50% if not 75% of food stamps are used for cigarettes, beer, or pot.......... I have personally been offered many many many grocery items for <50% off by brothers friends.

    When you see the reciepts online with expensive steak being purchased with a SNAP card, people bellow, ''They eat better than I do!''  They aren't eating steak.... they are selling it.

    There has never ever been a time my brother and friends didn't have smokes, cases of pop/beer, and a bag of weed on hand.
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,096 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio said:
    There has never ever been a time my brother and friends didn't have smokes, cases of pop/beer, and a bag of weed on hand.
    And, no doubt, an expensive smartphone and probably an expensive car too.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,310 Senior Member
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    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,252 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    jbp-ohio said:
    There has never ever been a time my brother and friends didn't have smokes, cases of pop/beer, and a bag of weed on hand.
    And, no doubt, an expensive smartphone and probably an expensive car too.
    Actually no. You need to work on the side for extras. He is happy to have nothing. When his son was young enough for them to get back $4-5K with the (un)earned tax credit, they would buy a cheap car and other useless junk. Within 4 to 6 months they had sold it all for pennies on the dollar......


    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,252 Senior Member
    edited December 2019 #45
    The expensive car etc are almost all entirely financed through drugs or other black market hustles. No one on any kind of assistance is funding anything beyond a minimal subsistence lifestyle. However sure, plenty of criminals also collect SNAP benefits. Deeply poor communities have plenty of criminal activity to go with their poverty. That goes for urban ghettos and rural trailer parks. 
    Haha..... you are so naive about the world. There are sooo many ways people cheat the system that doesn't involve crime (other than lying to get a check). Some are very hard workers and make loads of money...... off the books.

    There is a somewhat local guy who has a rig just like this.......



    He probably has $150,000 wrapped up in all of the accoutrements of the bass pro trial. One rod/reel combo is $1000 easy and he has dozens.

    He has been on long term disability from work for years, gets Metro housing, SNAP card, free child care  through HARCATUS, knows exactly the right month to stop paying electric and gas bill so HARCATUS will pay that as a lump. Pays for it all with side work as an electrician.

    When I bought my first house I did most of the work myself, but all of the work I paid for.... I paid cash. Drywall, blockwork, tree removal
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,784 Senior Member
    GunNut said:
    Was recently speaking to the Sr VP of a local supermarket chain.  Biggest problem? Personnel.  He said he can tell me when just about any of his employees will quit to go back on unemployment insurance and food stamps.




    Friend of mine had a small real state related business in CO (Illegals doing the same job for less money finally forced him out of the business) and according to him his worst problem was finding reliable employees that could do the assigned jobs, basically some small building repairs/maintenance and assorted intensive cleaning jobs including carpets, furniture, etc.
    He provided meals, payment according market rates for the kind of job and working equipment but still couldn't find reliable people despite knowing a large bunch of people in the area that really nneded a job. Basically they complained about hard, long working hours (He payed overtime) and had to keep constantly hiring new workers.

    He said that many Americans no matter if unemployed, refused to work "so hard" and/or "so long" (Many times he was also part of the working crew....no "desk ****" living from the sweat of his minions), skipped work a lot using assorted excuses ("Had to bail my wife from jail", "daughter ran away from home", "got a terrible hangover", etc.) or were late, usually with breath & clothes reaking from alcohol or pot, and complained a lot about everything. Usually job quality unless over-supervised was so-so at best, and clearly showed discomfort for having to work for a "Latino" (Although his family is Italian).

    Also hired Mexicans; most had to be constantly checked to avoid problems and accidents, had to be trained in almost everything and were hard to trust; same reliability problems but less related to assorted addictions, specially drugs.

    Eventually he got tired of srcraping only a few bucks, closed his business and decided to take some months for traveling and then plans to invest his small savings in a hosteling business in Europe. 

    According to him after 17 years of working in the US (He began as a pennyless illegal and ended up owning a house, 3 other properties and his own business) the worst problems for quite a few of the low wage able-body working man were plain laziness, an attutude towards hard, honest work and alcoholism/drug addiction, (specially pot, crack & meth consumption in the whole family structures), and the fact that thanks to government help, at least they hadn't to work to avoid starvation.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,252 Senior Member
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    Disabled - It can be challenging to get classified as disabled, but once you are it's the best way to get the most benefits. I'd argue that most of the abuse actually comes in the disability system.

      My brother does pretty good. He signed up for 4 years in the Navy. Went AWOL with a Filipino stripper and got a General Discharge. Just got a Quintuple bypass without paying a dime
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,129 Senior Member
    With all of the terrible abuse of sooooo many dead beats scamming the system, we should all get cut back to 30% tax rate now. New work rule in all.....

    I can hardly wait......
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