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Meanwhile, in Virginia...

CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior MemberPosts: 5,486 Senior Member
It seems Virginia Democrats are passing the A-list gun control laws, including UBC's,  red flags, and black rifle bans. In response, 75 counties have declared themselves 2A Sanctuaries. No surprise there. 

The democrats have ratcheted up the threats, towards the citizens and the sheriff's. 
One mentioned calling on the National Guard to enforce the laws. 

This one is getting interesting. 

Virginia Democratic officials, however, already say local law enforcement supporting these resolutions will face consequences if they do not carry out any law the state Legislature passes.

“I would hope they either resign in good conscience, because they cannot uphold the law which they are sworn to uphold, or they're prosecuted for failure to fulfill their oath,” Democratic Virginia Rep. Gerry Connolly told the Washington Examiner of local county police who may refuse to enforce future gun control measures. “The law is the law. If that becomes the law, you don't have a choice, not if you're a sworn officer of the law.”

"Democratic Virginia Rep. Donald McEachin suggested cutting off state funds to counties that do not comply with any gun control measures that pass in Richmond.

“They certainly risk funding, because if the sheriff's department is not going to enforce the law, they're going to lose money. The counties' attorneys offices are not going to have the money to prosecute because their prosecutions are going to go down,” he said."

“And ultimately, I'm not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law,” he said. “That's his call, because I don't know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that's obviously an option he has.”



https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/the-law-is-the-law-virginia-democrats-float-prosecution-national-guard-deployment-if-police-dont-enforce-gun-control
When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

Adam J. McCleod


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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,189 Senior Member
    And so it begins...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,189 Senior Member
    And so it begins...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 8,202 Senior Member
    goose, gander.  I guess it's ok to have sanctuary cities that don't enforce federal immigration laws, but not ok to ignore unconstitutional state laws.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    The National Guard, nationalized or not by the governor, swear an oath to the United States and the Constitution, are under the UCMJ, and are not required to follow orders that violate the oath to the Constitution and the United States. Gonna be some interesting fallout if the governor decides to go full third world dictator.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    I'm guessing quite a few of the Guardsmen are from the 75 aforementioned counties. I'm thinking the governor will be SHOCKED! when they refuse to obey.  
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,404 Senior Member
    This is going to get interesting, and possibly get sporty.  
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • BamaakIIBamaakII Posts: 335 Member
    Can they recall the gov in VA?
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,380 Senior Member
    Funny you don't see this in the mainstream media.  Once would think the Dems would be dancing in the streets.  Wonder why they are so quiet about it?
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,299 Senior Member
    Apparently, the Gov. didn't pay attention in U.S. History class...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,189 Senior Member
    I just looked it up - there are 95 counties in Virginia. That means 75 vs 20.

    I think I'd tell that idiot, "Bring it on!".
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 887 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    I just looked it up - there are 95 counties in Virginia. That means 75 vs 20.

    I think I'd tell that idiot, "Bring it on!".
    That would mean the 75 counties need to get their act together and vote the idiots out of office.  Peaceful, legal solutions are alway better than the alternatives.
    Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.

    ECHO...ECHO....echo...

    Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!

    Karma.........It’s a bitch.
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    Accipiter said:
    zorba said:
    I just looked it up - there are 95 counties in Virginia. That means 75 vs 20.

    I think I'd tell that idiot, "Bring it on!".
    That would mean the 75 counties need to get their act together and vote the idiots out of office.  Peaceful, legal solutions are always better than the alternatives.
    This will be a peaceful solution. Democrats like to bluster and bluff (esp about gun control laws) but when the fan gets hit, they will blink. The Bundy ranch is a perfect example. There was no way Obama was gonna have a Waco chapter in his legacy. Hell, I think he feared the Bundy supporters would wipe the feds out. That would send a helluva message to the rest of us. 

    And if I'm wrong, the stage will be set. A lot of our "what ifs?" will be answered. 

    Like I said, gonna be interesting...
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,291 Senior Member
    I think it may be a case of pandering rhetoric without true intent.
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    edited December 2019 #15
    I think it may be a case of pandering rhetoric without true intent.
    If they are going to make threats, they need to at least follow-up. Can't have citizens and sheriffs disregarding laws they view as illegal of immoral. Overt non-compliance with progressive ideals should result in incarceration or execution. *sarc*

    These laws haven't passed yet. You'd think 79% of the sheriffs/counties told them to FOAD they'd pull back. But, nope, they have the power and must exercise it. 





    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 887 Senior Member

     Unlike the US constitution that gives outsized power to empty places, VA only gives power to people. 

    I had a whole thing written up and before I hit post, I thought meh I really don’t care enough to expend the mental energy anymore.
    Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.

    ECHO...ECHO....echo...

    Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!

    Karma.........It’s a bitch.
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    Accipiter said:
    zorba said:
    I just looked it up - there are 95 counties in Virginia. That means 75 vs 20.

    I think I'd tell that idiot, "Bring it on!".
    That would mean the 75 counties need to get their act together and vote the idiots out of office.  Peaceful, legal solutions are alway better than the alternatives.
    It means that 75 counties are all but empty. VA mirrors the rest of the country. Most of the population and economic activity in a few specific areas and the rest basically empty. Unlike the US constitution that gives outsized power to empty places, VA only gives power to people

    Ah, pure democracy...where nothing is out of bounds when 51% of the voters agree. 

    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,189 Senior Member
    It will be interesting to see how any of these new bills square with the state constitution and state supreme court.
    That won't matter - California has been ignoring COTUS for decades now, "the rule of law" only suits tyrants when its laws THEY agree with and/or made.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    From the VA state constitution:

    "That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power."

    It will be interesting to see how any of these new bills square with the state constitution and state supreme court.

    You are one of the few lefties I've ever engaged that thinks "shall not be infringed" means shall not be infringed. 

    I've yet to see a single politician honor that restriction. Even Heller failed to address "shall not be infringed" and went with "subject to reasonable restrictions".  

    My point is no one in any government in the US gives two **** about Constitutional restrictions. Maybe it's time the people remind the pols the 2A protects the citizens from them

    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,189 Senior Member
    This kind of nonsense shouldn't ever even see the light of day, much less have to be fought in the courts. Crazy - but I figured out a very long time ago that neither the gov't, nor anybody in it, nor anybody associated with it, cares one whit about people's rights, people's lives, people's livelihood, people's  money, nor people's freedoms.
    Governments are evil - just flat out. Its the nature of the beast. Unfortunately, given humankind's current stage of evolution, governments are a "necessary evil" but should never be thought of as something good, because they're not. But they do need to be contained.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • kansashunterkansashunter Senior Member Posts: 1,877 Senior Member
    I had a comment but since I live in an empty part of an empty state I guess it doesn't matter.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,650 Senior Member
    I had a comment but since I live in an empty part of an empty state I guess it doesn't matter.
    Kansashunter for the win.

    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,365 Senior Member
    I had a comment but since I live in an empty part of an empty state I guess it doesn't matter.
    I've tried to explain that to my cat, but she's a Democrat and going to vote anyway.
    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    Quite disturbing for me. My maternal Grandfather was born in Virginia. I spent 2 months at Ft. Eustis for a military school. April and May 1991. I had my lunch paid for by civilians several times. The military was returning from Desert Storm. At that time Virginians I met were mostly conservative and pro 2A. It seems that has not appreciably changed. All National Guard members swore to Protect and Defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all Enemies Foreign and Domestic!!!     
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,535 Senior Member
    Alph is correct if anyone likes it or not, his nomenclature is biased, but he is correct. States dont have a process in place to level the tyranny of the population centers that was put in place specifically to stop a few areas deciding everything for every part of the country. The population centers still have major sway and they have to be way out of touch with the rest of the country for it to matter, but it has become a more common thing as they have swung commie.

    The 72 county's do have recourse and it has happened before in Virginia. They could petition to join West Virginia, the last group of counties that had a disagreement with the thinking of their elected officials showed them the way.

    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,499 Senior Member
    CaliFFL said:
    I think it may be a case of pandering rhetoric without true intent.
    If they are going to make threats, they need to at least follow-up. Can't have citizens and sheriffs disregarding laws they view as illegal of immoral. Overt non-compliance with progressive ideals should result in incarceration or execution. *sarc*

    These laws haven't passed yet. You'd think 79% of the sheriffs/counties told them to FOAD they'd pull back. But, nope, they have the power and must exercise it. 





    You mean the people that actually strap on a gun belt and Kevlar vest to go enforce the laws these idiots cook up might actually have some notion as to what might actually fly?  PERISH THE THOUGHT!! ;) . . .
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    I had a comment but since I live in an empty part of an empty state I guess it doesn't matter.
    You matter just as much as every individual person. You just dont matter more because you live in an area of low population density. 
    And this is exactly why the electoral college was created and why states have the same amount of Senators and a ratio of reps. Everyone gets representation and are not simply ruled by urban centers with a hive mentality. 

    Varmintmist is correct about the States lacking this or a similar system. I witnessed it first hand in Cali and now Washington. King county reps will pass a state tax that benefits the county (or Seattle) but none of the funding makes it across the Cascades. 

    I disagree with Varmintmist's comment about petitioning for secession. I mean they can petition, but when has asking a tyrant ever worked? Release from tyranny is almost always paid in blood. Or the threat of blood.
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,380 Senior Member
    CaliFFL said:
    I had a comment but since I live in an empty part of an empty state I guess it doesn't matter.
    You matter just as much as every individual person. You just dont matter more because you live in an area of low population density. 
    And this is exactly why the electoral college was created and why states have the same amount of Senators and a ratio of reps. Everyone gets representation and are not simply ruled by urban centers with a hive mentality. 

    Varmintmist is correct about the States lacking this or a similar system. I witnessed it first hand in Cali and now Washington. King county reps will pass a state tax that benefits the county (or Seattle) but none of the funding makes it across the Cascades. 

    I disagree with Varmintmist's comment about petitioning for secession. I mean they can petition, but when has asking a tyrant ever worked? Release from tyranny is almost always paid in blood. Or the threat of blood.
    Having lived in Washington many years ago, I find it difficult to understand how it turned so liberal. Virginia the same way. In the late 70s early 80s many if our states were very different places. They turned for the worse as liberal thinking and self entitlement grew 
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    Virginia reps have introduced a bill that terminates the employment of any LEO who refuses to enforce their gun control schemes. Where's the "eating popcorn" emoji? 


    https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+HB67&fbclid=IwAR1jtZsPakbr8ciCvpUcGSDW1JWrfDJs4wI84QwKeJzAokxBl4LsF32FLc0

    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,189 Senior Member
    Since the LEOs work for their local administration, and not the state...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 887 Senior Member
    Certified by the state.  Pretty sure the state would be within rights.  It might be fun to see the result.  Or terrifying.  Not boring for sure.
    Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.

    ECHO...ECHO....echo...

    Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!

    Karma.........It’s a bitch.
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